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Post by chuck0105 on Mar 5, 2020 13:35:31 GMT 10
So the Baulko side that finish Last 7th of 7 (2018) - and 10th of 10 (2019) - in consecutive years- again stays in Division 1 ? Scapegoats !? This team maybe Baulko's primary 45's side, but has never ranked, being Last in recent years.
The Club could not how we would rank against other clubs - unless knowing how the competition would be organised.
HOW this team was graded by club or HFA (vs. CHU) - CANNOT in any way be right !!?
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Post by smu73 on Mar 5, 2020 17:14:49 GMT 10
Like you said Kurt you are in a no win. I do agree with 3 divisions as now more teams might go to over 45s rather then stay in over 35s. Might be one year of pain to encourage many extra teams next year to join the comp.
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Post by chuck0105 on Mar 5, 2020 17:31:02 GMT 10
Like you said Kurt you are in a no win. I do agree with 3 divisions as now more teams might go to over 45s rather then stay in over 35s. Might be one year of pain to encourage many extra teams next year to join the comp. Obviously some slurs could go your way but this team is has been in div.1 and at the very end of the O45s ladder for 5 years. So dont give me absolute rubbish about - one year of pain. HOW this team was graded by club or HFA (vs. CHU) - CANNOT in any way be right !!?
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Post by baulkokid on Mar 5, 2020 18:21:08 GMT 10
Last years 2 Baulko teams combined as half in both teams wanted to stay in Div 1 & the other half wanted to go down to Div 2. It was not a grading, as last time I said that I got in the e, it was players from the 2 teams sorting them selves out to where they wanted to play. So a team in Div 1 with some of the players in the Div3 team some into 35s & some leaving. I'll prob will get in the brown stuff for putting this on but I don't give a toot, they should have come on & explained it them selves. This Baulko should be in Div 1, only time will tell.
Well done Kurt & the hole Hills team it's never easy & you have done a great job. It's only the young, 45 to 50, div 1 players whinging, if you don't like it go back to 35s.
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Post by The Weeknd on Mar 5, 2020 18:25:47 GMT 10
Baulkokid. We lost good players to over 35 and AA. We just replaced them with some from the other O45s. We are no better. Certainly not better than the CHU team that beat us twice finished above us and got put in 2s. I guess you have to be in the committee at Baulko to be treated fairly by this club.
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Post by Oake on Mar 5, 2020 18:43:32 GMT 10
And there is your answer and the problem with grading.
Not only do people not see the individuals in one team, which may change it considerably from last year, they don’t see where the club nominates them, OR the players in the other teams which might be in the same division.
It’s a dark art and hard to get right so don’t be too quick to judge. That’s why we have regrading built in.
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Post by chuck0105 on Mar 5, 2020 18:56:34 GMT 10
You say -- It's only the young, 45 to 50, div 1 players whinging, if you don't like it go back to 35s.
Maaate the average age in this teamis well over 50. With 2 x 50 yrs olds the youngest and 15 players between 52 to 57.
Go figure running another year of floggings and last on the ladder again because of other peoples agendas.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 20:08:52 GMT 10
OMG....by the time you get to O/45's it is time to sit back & assess what your goals are in continuing to play. Are you still trophy hunting ? I thought that was what your parents wanted. Getting a bit long in the tooth for that. Are you wanting to retain a good level of fitness ? A commendable reason to ensure good health & longevity. Are you in it for the mateship & camaraderie ? Great for friendships & mental health. Are you in it for the social side, & dare I say, a few quiet ales at the completion of the match ? Sounds good to me. Are you in it so that you can play a meaningful role in the administration of the club ? A magnanimous gesture. Are you in it to set a good example for those younger players coming through the ranks ? Very mature.
However, by the time you get to O /45+ you would think that your life experiences would prepare you for the fact that we don't always live in a perfect world & that registration numbers etc don't fall neatly in to place to cater for everbody's expectations. Time to figure out what you really want from playing this wonderful game & what you can do to improve the situation. Remember that this is still a young Association that is growing & many people have made massive sacrifices to get us this far. If you want to look at the alternative go to the Granville Forum & read recent comments which tend to indicate an Association in it's death throes. Time to act your age.
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Post by chuck0105 on Mar 6, 2020 8:19:35 GMT 10
Oracle - ENOUGH the shear stupidity of no one listening here is that teams that ranked higher Last year and every year previous were dropped into lower divisions - whilst we are still playing in div.1 we came last in 10 team comp ! now its 7 team comp - 3 teams above us got cut from div.1 but they left us there ? You are going to divert and say that is fine - by using some other toilet-untrained reasoning ?
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Post by blahblah on Mar 6, 2020 8:27:20 GMT 10
Maybe ease up a bit on jumping on the bloke for expressing what looks like a valid point.
If the team has finished last two years in a row then it certainly appears on face value that they should be demoted. Even hanging around the bottom 2 / 3 should give cause to look at it.
It does though seem that the Baulkokid has clarified why the Baulko team is still in Div1? As the two O45 teams have split with 1/2 the better players going to 1 side and the weaker players going to the 2 side?
Oracle is not as easy as saying (effectively) 'you are old so you should be happy just getting to run around and forget about the score'. When you are in a team losing week in / week out its not great for your mental health. Especially if thats the one (main) outlet / stress reliever you have chosen outside work / family etc.
As you say, young association, make sacrifices etc etc which is what we did first year of O35. Played Div 1, didn't win a game. Copped that on the chin (as a sacrifice for the greater good of the new association) and so have then moved on to Div 2 and had fun.
His point is more on the side of, for the sake of argument imagine with our case, if we had been forced into Div 1 the second year, then the third year (after coming last and not winning a game). That seems to be his point with the example of the Baulko team coming last two years in a row.
So yes you raise some valid points but at least try to look at it from his side. Telling him to act his age is what he is doing, acting like a late 40 early 50 year old that these seasons might very well be his last running around a football field.
And one thing that has only been raised a few times, the fight to have your team in a certain division is something that needs to come from your club. You need your club fighting for you / arguing you etc, if you are not getting that support from your club (and you / your team are not actively involved in pushing that fight) then move to a club that will support you.
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Post by chuck0105 on Mar 6, 2020 8:43:13 GMT 10
blahblah - No one is under 50 !! I am 55 !! 14 players 52 to 57 yrs old NOT 45 !
Last years 2 baulko teams disintegrated and only left enough for one team. Not right to say the better players stayed on in this baulko side, in fact all of the younger &fitter blokes left to go back to 35's.
The other new baulko div.3 side is a new mix and match of older players averaging 60 yrs old from various previous teams.
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Post by blahblah on Mar 6, 2020 9:11:02 GMT 10
I had no idea how old you are, I was only referencing off what baulkokid was saying, if your team is that heavily stacked with 50+, finished last two years then I cannot understand how your club couldn't push that info across to the association, it seems like a easy decision from me.
The only thing that could have swung it from my understanding (and someone else raised the point) was if you have new players join your team that have been playing in a high / 35 div whatever last few years and will then shift the balance of division placement against you.
Have you discussed with your club (post or pre)? The divisions are not final (from my understanding) there is room to shift, I would suggest you get a hold of your club president and push your point, arrange a meeting with Kurt etc etc.
If reality represents the position you are putting forward then I am sure if YOUR CLUB doesn't have any luck then come Round 5 you will be re-graded.
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Post by The Weeknd on Mar 9, 2020 9:36:15 GMT 10
Hi Kurt, Are you aware that the Castle Hill United team that finished 4th in 45/1s last year has been graded in 45/2s this year? If yes - why? If no - is anything going to be done about it? cheers
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Post by blahblah on Mar 9, 2020 10:18:39 GMT 10
Hi Kurt, Are you aware that the Castle Hill United team that finished 4th in 45/1s last year has been graded in 45/2s this year? If yes - why? If no - is anything going to be done about it? cheers SloMo i don't think you are going to get any sort of adequate response / reply on this forum, you need to raise this issue through your club. Association wont deal with players individually, only via the clubs.
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Post by chuck0105 on Mar 18, 2020 8:00:18 GMT 10
Hi Kurt, Are you aware that the Castle Hill United team that finished 4th in 45/1s last year has been graded in 45/2s this year? If yes - why? If no - is anything going to be done about it? cheers SloMo i don't think you are going to get any sort of adequate response / reply on this forum, you need to raise this issue through your club. Association wont deal with players individually, only via the clubs. Would love to think our club would support asking the question to the association but would fall on deaf ears. But even more excited wondering what kind of answer could they give to SloMos question ! Good push back blalhblah political sideswerve extraodinare. Association showing in all the hallmarks of insider corruption and favouritism.
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