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Post by baulkokid on Jan 24, 2020 20:56:04 GMT 10
Hi Kurt, O45s there has been a lot discussion & disharmony about the unevenness, maybe 3 divisions of 6 teams would even it out better & make a more enjoyable playing experience. I am entering a team made up of mainly over 60 with a few over 55, most teams the players are over 50 except some that winning is ever thing even when winning a game by 10-0 they still play like its a cup final. We will be there for the fun of playing the game we love & if we win a few games all the better, but this is about keeping older guys playing & helping there mental health as well.
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Post by dreamgoal on Jan 24, 2020 21:38:25 GMT 10
Hi Kurt,
What is being done to ensure a competitive and well run competition in Div 1 ladies in 2020 following the poor season last year??
Thanks!!
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Post by kurthillsfootball on Jan 25, 2020 7:26:16 GMT 10
Hi Kurt, O45s there has been a lot discussion & disharmony about the unevenness, maybe 3 divisions of 6 teams would even it out better & make a more enjoyable playing experience. I am entering a team made up of mainly over 60 with a few over 55, most teams the players are over 50 except some that winning is ever thing even when winning a game by 10-0 they still play like its a cup final. We will be there for the fun of playing the game we love & if we win a few games all the better, but this is about keeping older guys playing & helping there mental health as well. Hi Baulkokid, Ahh yes the 45s. Each year this competition puts us through more pain than all other competitions combined :-) Firstly, I am a huge advocate and have said it publicly before that the football football landscape has changed a lot in the past 5 years, and will change even more in the coming 5. Gone are the days of a 3pm kick off each Saturday afternoon. We need to seriously consider including options of small sided football for 45s. This could be say 9v9 half a pitch (idea only). Because as you also said it’s not just about winning anymore.... or is it? Statistically, this division has the most amount of forfeits due to injuries sustained in squads. Or teams playing each week with the bare minimum, Yet we keep persisting with full sided football. There are examples of this format being played around the country with huge success. **these are my views only** In regards to the divisional makeup, I can absolutely assure you that what ever decision is made this year, we will receive formal complaints from someone. In 2019, 3 teams nominated for Div1. The other 7 sent it formal requests to be moved out of the competition or threaten to leave. This leaves us with a no win situation. Our aim is always to try and give as fair and equal outcome as we can. In your idea of a 6 team competition, 3 teams don’t want to be there and those 3 teams will be on the wrong end of a hiding every second week. That’s not fun for anyone. It will really depend on how many teams nominate and which division they nominate into for me to give you a true answer on this one. In saying this, we are not alone. The 45s comp in most Metro Associations has the exact same issue as we do (2/3 teams dominating each year). In late 2019 North West Sydney Football Association approached Hills Football with a proposal to merge the division 1 competitions. After consulting with clubs and looking into the logistics, we decided not to proceed with this proposal. Thanks! Kurt
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Post by kurthillsfootball on Jan 25, 2020 8:05:40 GMT 10
Hi Kurt, What is being done to ensure a competitive and well run competition in Div 1 ladies in 2020 following the poor season last year?? Thanks!! Hi Dreamgoal, Firstly, yes it has been publicly acknowledged that the 2019 ladies competitions weren’t handled very well. I will stress that the makeup of these competitions were voted unanimously by the representing clubs and any changes made during the season were also done in consultation with them. Unfortunately there were a few spanners thrown into the works that were completely out of our control that contributed to the problems. Through all of this, HFI embarked on a journey to A) hear the views of the players. And B) do what we can to improve the competitions. The data received from a survey and town hall showed that the high majority of players in 2019 actually enjoyed their experience. The minority few didn’t. For the ladies competitions to be a success, it can’t be just the Associations responsibility. The clubs play just as if not a more important role. The reality is, we simply don’t have the critical mass required to host a division 1 competition with at least 6+ teams that are of the quality to compete with each other. As it currently stands, the distance between team 1 and team 5 is quite considerable. In my opinion, should clubs grade their teams evenly, we would have a far greater competition. But, we don’t live is a society of unicorns and rainbows so we have to live with the reality that some teams goals are to win at all costs which compounds the issue. (I’m not against this, I’m just pointing out the facts). We have also had a huge increase in player numbers, specifically ladies who have never played before. When you place a player with 0 experience up against someone who has played their whole life, well you know what the result will be. The issues faced in ladies division 1 are the exact same issues faced in the o45 men’s competition. We approached North West Sydney FA to discuss a fully merged competition. Due to their association going through major changes (GHFA & NWWFA merging), they were unable to entertain this idea. They have allowed Hills based teams to play in their competitions should they desire. A couple of teams have already confirmed they will play in their competition is 2020. Building the top division within our own boarders won’t be fixed overnight. It will take roughly 5 years. We have committed a considerable amount of resources into improving the quality of both player and coach through various programs. Should players, coaches and clubs buy into this, we will see he fruits of our labour in the years to come. To answer your question, with everything considered I can not ensure a competitive competition in 2020. We can only work with what’s in front of us and we cannot perform miracles. What i can assure you of is our determination to do everything we can to increase the quality of the product over the coming years to eventually be the envy of all We simply must work together on this and quit blaming everyone else, or it will continue to fail. Thanks! Kurt
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Jan 25, 2020 12:47:33 GMT 10
Hi Kurt,
My question is based solely on transparency which is of great necessity for all members of the Hills Football Association to develop their trust.
Trust isn’t a given, it is earned and I believe what I read not what I hear.
I would like to see listed on the association website all meeting minutes so everybody has the opportunity to be duly informed.
All, also includes Board minutes.
Other associations do it , so it not a issue.
By not doing it, it only fuels speculation and we know where that takes us.
Love Raymond ❤️❤️❤️
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Post by HappyFeet on Jan 25, 2020 13:56:15 GMT 10
Fully agree with you Ray and have mentioned this before as well.
Whilst not mandated to put minutes of meetings on the website, it is certainly mandated in the constitution that all minutes of meetings including Board Meeting Minutes must be distributed to all members. I have heard this is not happening at all which is completely wrong. Would be a great thing for all meeting minutes including board minutes to be placed on the website and be fully transparent.
That would avoid the need for someone in an official capacity to come on this forum and communicate with the football community who are seeking information.
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Post by kurthillsfootball on Jan 25, 2020 14:45:21 GMT 10
Hi Kurt, My question is based solely on transparency which is of great necessity for all members of the Hills Football Association to develop their trust. Trust isn’t a given, it is earned and I believe what I read not what I hear. I would like to see listed on the association website all meeting minutes so everybody has the opportunity to be duly informed. All, also includes Board minutes. Other associations do it , so it not a issue. By not doing it, it only fuels speculation and we know where that takes us. Love Raymond ❤️❤️❤️ Hi Ray & Happy Feet I can confirm board minutes ARE sent to our member clubs. I would be lying if I said admin tasks didn’t get the better of me sometimes. We can improve and get these out quicker. Technically players aren’t members of Hills Football. Players are a member of the club, the club is a member of Hills Football. If you’re after minutes, my recommendation is to ask your member club for a copy. Thanks! Kurt
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Post by mj on Jan 26, 2020 22:00:09 GMT 10
At the risk of being a killjoy - isn't this an unofficial forum and not a social media channel of HFI? Great to dispel some of the cr@p that is put up here but doesn't take all of the fun outa it if we can't talk about people who are trying to be in disguise pushing their trying to be disguised agendas?
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Post by Oake on Jan 27, 2020 9:13:38 GMT 10
I agree MJ. And I’m letting it run for a while, with similar reservations. We will see how it goes.
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Post by baulkokid on Jan 27, 2020 13:04:50 GMT 10
Hi Kurt, 9x9 half field, no thanks may be old but still want full size field, masters games practice. The 3 teams that are obviously to good should be put into 35 div 1 or 2 with the under standing the highest placed team goes to CofC as 45 winning team. Or a play off with top team in 45's.
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Post by naturalgrey on Jan 27, 2020 13:44:35 GMT 10
Why are the 45s treated any differently to other age groups? Players enter to enjoy their football - some competitive, some for mates, some for fitness of both body and mind etc etc. in every age group there are teams who win and lose...yet there isn’t talk of kicking out the 17s winners or the 35 Ladies or the 12s champs?! Kolts deservedly won the comp last season and beat every team in every game..including the top 4 teams of North Rocks, KVU and CH. But 2020 is a new season - maybe Kolts dominate, maybe another team steps up or maybe a new lot of young 45s move from 35s and challenge for the title. There are always good teams and there are always challengers....and yes there are always teams that lose and should be re-graded. Is it true that re-grading of the last 2 teams in 45s in 2019 was refused? There were 2 sides in Div 2 perfect to swap with... also, as an aside, is it true re-grading for all age groups has been removed in 2020? Every player wants to play in competitive games - not winning or losing by a mile. A couple of suggestions, - grade 45s into 10 team Div 1 and then Div 2 - re-grade after round 4 in 45s (and all other age groups) - take away goal difference from over 35 and 45s men and women’s comps (instead define equal table positions on head to head results and if necessary goals in the head to head games eg 1 win against each other but one team won 3-1 versus losing 0-2). Otherwise another idea is maybe be creative with Divs (depends on total team numbers) - put together something like a 14 team division and the remainder are the fully social/walking group. 14 teams play each other once and then split into 2 divs for remaining 5 rounds...semis and finals after that. Hi Kurt, O45s there has been a lot discussion & disharmony about the unevenness, maybe 3 divisions of 6 teams would even it out better & make a more enjoyable playing experience. I am entering a team made up of mainly over 60 with a few over 55, most teams the players are over 50 except some that winning is ever thing even when winning a game by 10-0 they still play like its a cup final. We will be there for the fun of playing the game we love & if we win a few games all the better, but this is about keeping older guys playing & helping there mental health as well. Hi Baulkokid, Ahh yes the 45s. Each year this competition puts us through more pain than all other competitions combined :-) Firstly, I am a huge advocate and have said it publicly before that the football football landscape has changed a lot in the past 5 years, and will change even more in the coming 5. Gone are the days of a 3pm kick off each Saturday afternoon. We need to seriously consider including options of small sided football for 45s. This could be say 9v9 half a pitch (idea only). Because as you also said it’s not just about winning anymore.... or is it? Statistically, this division has the most amount of forfeits due to injuries sustained in squads. Or teams playing each week with the bare minimum, Yet we keep persisting with full sided football. There are examples of this format being played around the country with huge success. **these are my views only** In regards to the divisional makeup, I can absolutely assure you that what ever decision is made this year, we will receive formal complaints from someone. In 2019, 3 teams nominated for Div1. The other 7 sent it formal requests to be moved out of the competition or threaten to leave. This leaves us with a no win situation. Our aim is always to try and give as fair and equal outcome as we can. In your idea of a 6 team competition, 3 teams don’t want to be there and those 3 teams will be on the wrong end of a hiding every second week. That’s not fun for anyone. It will really depend on how many teams nominate and which division they nominate into for me to give you a true answer on this one. In saying this, we are not alone. The 45s comp in most Metro Associations has the exact same issue as we do (2/3 teams dominating each year). In late 2019 North West Sydney Football Association approached Hills Football with a proposal to merge the division 1 competitions. After consulting with clubs and looking into the logistics, we decided not to proceed with this proposal. Thanks! Kurt
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Post by cuda on Jan 27, 2020 14:16:47 GMT 10
Kurt quick question - what's the rationale for naming the AAM comp divisions from AAM3 onwards rather than AAM1 (noted prem league are technically the 1 and 2)?
We seem to be the only association which does it, and the PL squad format is a separate comp from the AAM divisions.
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Post by kurthillsfootball on Jan 28, 2020 8:39:17 GMT 10
Kurt quick question - what's the rationale for naming the AAM comp divisions from AAM3 onwards rather than AAM1 (noted prem league are technically the 1 and 2)? We seem to be the only association which does it, and the PL squad format is a separate comp from the AAM divisions. Hi Cuda, This one is a Granville Legacy (thats how it was before the split). Premier League is the top division of Mens Football, then Premier League Reserves, Then Premier League Youth. Technically AAM3 is considered the 4th teir of mens football here in Hills Football. This was done to raise the level of the PL. Whilst growing each season, we are still behind our fellow Associations in terms of its quality so we have to build this to ensure its long term viability. We also want to encourage as many players/clubs to enter this competition as possible. Thanks! Kurt
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Post by cuda on Jan 29, 2020 17:07:58 GMT 10
Cheers mate, that squashes the “referee fees are cheaper for div 3 onwards” rumour preventing the top non-squad all age men’s div from being called div 1.
Idea makes sense, in reality PYL probs just cannibalizes prems (mostly ressies) and AAM3 ends up the second strongest div just by nature of being older experienced players who don’t want to play squads / train as often. Hopefully longer term the plan works out though 👍🏼
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Post by naturalgrey on Jan 30, 2020 15:07:51 GMT 10
Why are the 45s treated any differently to other age groups? Players enter to enjoy their football - some competitive, some for mates, some for fitness of both body and mind etc etc. in every age group there are teams who win and lose...yet there isn’t talk of kicking out the 17s winners or the 35 Ladies or the 12s champs?! Kolts deservedly won the comp last season and beat every team in every game..including the top 4 teams of North Rocks, KVU and CH. But 2020 is a new season - maybe Kolts dominate, maybe another team steps up or maybe a new lot of young 45s move from 35s and challenge for the title. There are always good teams and there are always challengers....and yes there are always teams that lose and should be re-graded. Is it true that re-grading of the last 2 teams in 45s in 2019 was refused? There were 2 sides in Div 2 perfect to swap with... also, as an aside, is it true re-grading for all age groups has been removed in 2020? Every player wants to play in competitive games - not winning or losing by a mile. A couple of suggestions, - grade 45s into 10 team Div 1 and then Div 2 - re-grade after round 4 in 45s (and all other age groups) - take away goal difference from over 35 and 45s men and women’s comps (instead define equal table positions on head to head results and if necessary goals in the head to head games eg 1 win against each other but one team won 3-1 versus losing 0-2). Otherwise another idea is maybe be creative with Divs (depends on total team numbers) - put together something like a 14 team division and the remainder are the fully social/walking group. 14 teams play each other once and then split into 2 divs for remaining 5 rounds...semis and finals after that. Hi Baulkokid, Ahh yes the 45s. Each year this competition puts us through more pain than all other competitions combined :-) Firstly, I am a huge advocate and have said it publicly before that the football football landscape has changed a lot in the past 5 years, and will change even more in the coming 5. Gone are the days of a 3pm kick off each Saturday afternoon. We need to seriously consider including options of small sided football for 45s. This could be say 9v9 half a pitch (idea only). Because as you also said it’s not just about winning anymore.... or is it? Statistically, this division has the most amount of forfeits due to injuries sustained in squads. Or teams playing each week with the bare minimum, Yet we keep persisting with full sided football. There are examples of this format being played around the country with huge success. **these are my views only** In regards to the divisional makeup, I can absolutely assure you that what ever decision is made this year, we will receive formal complaints from someone. In 2019, 3 teams nominated for Div1. The other 7 sent it formal requests to be moved out of the competition or threaten to leave. This leaves us with a no win situation. Our aim is always to try and give as fair and equal outcome as we can. In your idea of a 6 team competition, 3 teams don’t want to be there and those 3 teams will be on the wrong end of a hiding every second week. That’s not fun for anyone. It will really depend on how many teams nominate and which division they nominate into for me to give you a true answer on this one. In saying this, we are not alone. The 45s comp in most Metro Associations has the exact same issue as we do (2/3 teams dominating each year). In late 2019 North West Sydney Football Association approached Hills Football with a proposal to merge the division 1 competitions. After consulting with clubs and looking into the logistics, we decided not to proceed with this proposal. Thanks! Kurt
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