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Post by pep on Jul 15, 2022 10:00:07 GMT 10
So what's the go with referees this season? I coach an U16's team and we seem to have struggled with getting an official ref to our games this year. I hear we are not an isolated case so not complaining but interested to know what has happened to referee numbers. We have a double header this weekend and no referee allocated to either game.
I recall this was an issue back in my playing days in the Granville comp and one of the reasons put forward for a separate Hills Association.
Is it due to abuse by players, officials, spectators?
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Post by bluess21 on Jul 15, 2022 10:46:43 GMT 10
Has happened more so than recent years. It has been poor to be honest. What’s even crazier is that a number of times there has been 2 linesmen or 1 but no ref turn up or appointed.
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Post by macduff on Jul 15, 2022 11:11:30 GMT 10
So what's the go with referees this season? I coach an U16's team and we seem to have struggled with getting an official ref to our games this year. I hear we are not an isolated case so not complaining but interested to know what has happened to referee numbers. We have a double header this weekend and no referee allocated to either game. I recall this was an issue back in my playing days in the Granville comp and one of the reasons put forward for a separate Hills Association. Is it due to abuse by players, officials, spectators? Same issue for us in under 16s. Seems there is a lack of refs in the 17-early 20s age bracket in particular. Not sure if it's from abuse or that lots of these refs, who were really good a couple of years ago are now reffing NPL or AYL matches instead.
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Post by pep on Jul 15, 2022 11:45:34 GMT 10
Has happened more so than recent years. It has been poor to be honest. What’s even crazier is that a number of times there has been 2 linesmen or 1 but no ref turn up or appointed. I think we have only ever had 1 AR in any match this season. It's hard enough coaching and managing and then having to also ref a game. I know - first world problems!!
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Post by The other on Jul 15, 2022 14:24:52 GMT 10
Been thinking about becoming a ref as the body is not holding up like it used to. With some games not having refs I have put my hand up to do a game here and there after my own game recently. Got to say even after making it very clear at the beginning of the game to both teams that I am not an official ref, this didn’t stop players blowing up and carrying on with every decision I made or didn’t make. Things would only settle down once I threatened to walk and leave them to officiate their own game. This was from younger age group teams 17 to mid 20s. There really seems to be a lack of respect. Really makes me think if I want to go down that path of becoming a ref cause I know one day I will probably end up putting one on one of these young smart arses chin when they get in my face.
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Post by pep on Jul 15, 2022 17:47:35 GMT 10
Been thinking about becoming a ref as the body is not holding up like it used to. With some games not having refs I have put my hand up to do a game here and there after my own game recently. Got to say even after making it very clear at the beginning of the game to both teams that I am not an official ref, this didn’t stop players blowing up and carrying on with every decision I made or didn’t make. Things would only settle down once I threatened to walk and leave them to officiate their own game. This was from younger age group teams 17 to mid 20s. There really seems to be a lack of respect. Really makes me think if I want to go down that path of becoming a ref cause I know one day I will probably end up putting one on one of these young smart arses chin when they get in my face. I totally understand and I think this is one of the main reasons we are losing so many. I think I will have to ref our game tomorrow and dreading having to deal with that rubbish.
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Post by hmm on Jul 15, 2022 20:57:48 GMT 10
Referee abuse is a widespread issue across many sports and we are not alone and is a part of the reason we are losing refs in my opinion.
Check out North West Sydney Football's facebook page who are having the same problem.
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Post by blahblah on Jul 17, 2022 14:04:20 GMT 10
This has morphed off topic, maybe admin will move to its own thread but from my experience reffing Granville at a young age and adult (officially) and also refereeing games in the Hills (as a non-official) it was my age / maturity that was the big differentiator.
I was always explicit with teams at the start that I just wont tolerate any garbage towards me and would yellow the first time it happened (which it nearly always did) - like dealing with children, you have to be clear in the expectation, the repercussions of not meeting those expectations and actually follow through.
If there was one particularly shouty person, i would make it a habit of pulling them aside from everyone and tell them that i wont tolerate whatever it was that was beyond acceptable and if they did it again i would card them. Isolating troublemakers was critical - usually the majority of the team are also sick of the shouting idiot but dont want to be the one telling them to calm down. By dealing with them calmly and individually and without confronting them in an open format (which is what they want) i more often than not got a quiet apology and they were 80% better the rest of the game.
The following through is where a lot of the falling down is, the more rope you give people the more they will take. Our referee yesterday (who I think is a Coolong committee member) was a fantastic example of good reffing, he was clear and firm, not rude or argumentative or domineering etc just firm - that was a foul, go away, be quiet - and the player did. If he didn't I have no doubt the ref would have binned him.
Refs have the sin bin now but its rarely used - If i was reffing this would be a very strong tool to wake everyone up.
I think getting the teams together at halfway and giving the ref an opportunity to be clear in their expectations is a downfall (maybe Covid related?)
Referee coverage in 35s has been really good this season, only 1 or 2 games not covered and our club has a number of senior players that also referee that help cover missing club games - perhaps the clubs need to look at pushing through / encouraging their players to become referees in a similar vein.
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Post by rainman on Jul 18, 2022 9:28:29 GMT 10
Refs are walking away in droves (both my sons had been refs and neither is bothered with rubbish anymore). At our 35s game on weekend - no black and white (again) so the home team had one of their guys volunteering and he did OK job but after we equalised near end of game, their keeper went berserk at his "own" ref calling him F, C, etc etc as thought it was foul. Not sure that the ref heard it but a few players on sideline told him to be quiet (kids, wives watching). Why would anyone volunteer their time on a Sat afternoon to cop that abuse from their own (let alone opposition or spectators). Forget about all the talk about sin bin, best example is to suspend players but Association is WEAK.
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Post by Red Devil on Jul 18, 2022 12:36:06 GMT 10
Refs are walking away in droves (both my sons had been refs and neither is bothered with rubbish anymore). At our 35s game on weekend - no black and white (again) so the home team had one of their guys volunteering and he did OK job but after we equalised near end of game, their keeper went berserk at his "own" ref calling him F, C, etc etc as thought it was foul. Not sure that the ref heard it but a few players on sideline told him to be quiet (kids, wives watching). Why would anyone volunteer their time on a Sat afternoon to cop that abuse from their own (let alone opposition or spectators). Forget about all the talk about sin bin, best example is to suspend players but Association is WEAK. We had 2 players given 12 months for abuse to a referee last week . I think there will be a big change from now on. Although i may not agree with the decision on the day i think we all need to pull our heads in and protect our referees . We have no game without them .
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Post by baulkokid on Jul 18, 2022 13:25:04 GMT 10
O/35-1 game a few weeks ago BH V Rams, both ARs and a level 2 Reff were abused and sworn at by RH, 2 sin bins and 2 yellows in the second half, should have been reds given but Reff was actually scared of what would happen if he did. A report went in about what had happened, Rams also put a report in about what they considered bad reffing, result:- nothing against players, Reff had a talking too and will have his games monitored in the future. He is still considering if he and his 3 children (17, 19 and 21) will keep Reffing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 14:03:50 GMT 10
Oh the irony of it all. Players complain & abuse referees when they do get them to officiate their games......AND THEN.....players turn around & complain & abuse referees when they don't want to officiate their games any more & they don't have a referee. Seems to be a Lose / Lose situation all round because a minority of self centred, little prima donnas can't suck it up & abide by the decision of the referee. This is not the A-League but Saturday afternoon club soccer. Time to act like an adult, grow up & move on.
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Post by pieandmash on Jul 18, 2022 15:44:21 GMT 10
The word I’m hearing is that referees are sick of the abuse, the fact nothing is being done about on any level. Young referees being pulled aside and told off about menial things such as jewellery etc yet not supporting them with actual issues.
Referee recruitment has been non existent even given the current situation where games are not being covered by an official
Pay, always late and always has been a different excuse each year, directors slow to approve pay, because why would they when it does not affect them. They also have the audacity to take 5% off everyone’s pay as an admin charge! The person doing pay went away for a month and apparently nobody could step in for them, then when they returned they quit and left it for someone else to pick up the pieces.
Pay rates have not gone up for at least 5 years despite rises in rego etc.
The thing is you pay for referees as part of your rego so you are being ripped off when you don’t get a full set of officials.
So in summary they need to recruit, support and retain Pay better and on time
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Post by baulkokid on Jul 18, 2022 16:23:28 GMT 10
like other Associations make it mandatory that each team has to have 2 players, coach or manager that do the Reffs course and Reff min 6 games a season. I'm a Reff, player and manager, when I reff I don't take crap but unfortunately some reffs let it go on and on till it's to late, stop it when it first happens in the game. Ether a word to the player, if bad enough sin bin or a card, whether it's the first minute or the last minute.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 16:28:09 GMT 10
One of the main reasons that the Hills broke away from Granville in the first place was to do with the abuse of referees & eventually the major lack of referees. If these morons are not careful, & don't start showing the referees the respect they deserve, then we are going to be right back in the same situation as before. Obviously these self absorbed halfwits don't appreciate the blood, sweat & tears that the founders of the Hills Association went through in order to provide them with the benefits that they now take for granted.
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