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Post by dreamgoal on Oct 22, 2019 22:39:00 GMT 10
4ster - i reckon your last paragraph is off the mark. Hills Football have just posted on their facebook page an article that states in 2019 Hills Football held the license for GSAP but they engaged Hills United to do the coaching therefore the rego fees would have been paid to the association and not Hills United. I wonder if the association surveyed the parents and girls of last season's GSAP program and asked what they wanted as there seems to be many very unhappy parents that the experienced coaches and Hills United are now not going to be involved, after all they are the region's NPL club, member of the association and with the most experienced coaches. Anyone that knows football knows kids this age should not be training four times a week or having to do a marathon to gain selection. Cant help but think the organisation has completely lost its focus and understanding on why it exists and needs to stand back and take a good look in my opinion. Anyone know what happened at the association and clubs meeting that was on last night?? Happy, You actually make great sense and know football!! You should think about joining the Hills board... Then again those traits are clearly not pre-requisites....
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Post by juggler on Oct 23, 2019 6:51:57 GMT 10
Have the previous years GSAP players been retained or are all positions available ? If there have been players retained then there may be a specific view on the type of player that is required to be added to the squad. Yes at least 5 I know of in this years U12’s
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Post by crazycow on Oct 23, 2019 8:19:18 GMT 10
Yes -still lots of positions available in all GSAP squads. A lot of players were retained, approximately half in each age group, but sadly many of these have decided to seek pastures new after Hills Association decided to NOT involve the experienced structure from last year and run its own dog and pony show. I know of at least 10 who have now left the Hills alltogether and one or two who have joined the boys program with Hills Utd.
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Post by dreamgoal on Oct 23, 2019 12:42:29 GMT 10
Have the previous years GSAP players been retained or are all positions available ? If there have been players retained then there may be a specific view on the type of player that is required to be added to the squad. Yes at least 5 I know of in this years U12’s Sadly enough I have heard that NONE of the retained players from this years 12’s have remained in Hills GSAP due to the changes... on a positive note that now creates opportunities for other girls who would not have otherwise been selected!!
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Post by HappyFeet on Oct 23, 2019 13:54:48 GMT 10
Unfortunately that wont help if our local talented Hills based girls move and chase their dream with the likes of Spartans, Nepean, Koalas etc. It appears the association are also advertising and trying to attract players from the Metwest region which covers Granville, Blacktown, Nepean and Hills. If our local girls chase better options elsewhere which appears to be the case then this does not help grow the participation rates of girls in the Hills grass roots comp.
It will be the same for AYL. Open to players from the Metwest region so our local players may not make these teams and we may find ourselves with our grass roots teams denied access to much needed Hills fields with players playing in these rep teams from outside the Hills area.
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Post by juggler on Oct 23, 2019 17:34:58 GMT 10
Yes at least 5 I know of in this years U12’s Sadly enough I have heard that NONE of the retained players from this years 12’s have remained in Hills GSAP due to the changes... on a positive note that now creates opportunities for other girls who would not have otherwise been selected!! I’m not sure that exactly true. I’ve been led to believe retained players didn’t go to trials for whatever reason but yes, I do know many of them were looking elsewhere and why not? With exception of HU all other GSAP offer player pathway to NPL.
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Post by sweetleftfoot on Oct 24, 2019 7:53:34 GMT 10
Sadly enough I have heard that NONE of the retained players from this years 12’s have remained in Hills GSAP due to the changes... on a positive note that now creates opportunities for other girls who would not have otherwise been selected!! I’m not sure that exactly true. I’ve been led to believe retained players didn’t go to trials for whatever reason but yes, I do know many of them were looking elsewhere and why not? With exception of HU all other GSAP offer player pathway to NPL. If none of last year's players end up staying then no-one can deny this whole process has been a massive mistake
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Post by sweeper on Oct 24, 2019 9:50:11 GMT 10
Does anybody know what the process is to be "promoted" from GCL to WNPL ? Do you have to wait your time or are there specific criteria that has to be met ? Has any club or association moved from GCL to WNPL ?
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Post by ange on Oct 24, 2019 10:20:53 GMT 10
Does anybody know what the process is to be "promoted" from GCL to WNPL ? Do you have to wait your time or are there specific criteria that has to be met ? Has any club or association moved from GCL to WNPL ? There is no process. Promotion and relegation exist between PL1 and PL2 based on senior results. There is no such pro/rel between PL2 and GCL.... if you come last in PL2 you stay in PL2. It would take a club to drop out or some sort of restructure before a GCL club gets promoted to PL2. Given that Hills cam last or near last in every age group you would think other clubs have a better claim to promotion when it does come up. No club has ever gone from GCL to PL2 (but GCl has only existed for 3 years. Before then it was State League with seniors and there was pro/rel).
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Post by sweeper on Oct 24, 2019 14:26:16 GMT 10
Does anybody know what the process is to be "promoted" from GCL to WNPL ? Do you have to wait your time or are there specific criteria that has to be met ? Has any club or association moved from GCL to WNPL ? There is no process. Promotion and relegation exist between PL1 and PL2 based on senior results. There is no such pro/rel between PL2 and GCL.... if you come last in PL2 you stay in PL2. It would take a club to drop out or some sort of restructure before a GCL club gets promoted to PL2. Given that Hills cam last or near last in every age group you would think other clubs have a better claim to promotion when it does come up. No club has ever gone from GCL to PL2 (but GCl has only existed for 3 years. Before then it was State League with seniors and there was pro/rel).
Will be interesting to see how Dunbar approach this as I cannot see them wanting to stay in GCL for long.
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Post by ange on Oct 24, 2019 16:13:07 GMT 10
Dunbar are very ambitious as is Mount Druitt (who really got shafted in the last redistribution).
The advantage Hills had was their geographic location and the connections of their technical director. The confusion caused by Hills Association in regards to taking GSAP and potentially the home ground has not helped Hills United chances at all. It will be interesting to see next year if the GCL license is given to Hills United or the Association.
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Post by HappyFeet on Oct 24, 2019 16:33:02 GMT 10
There is talk from those in the know about the women's competitions being restructured and it is not working well at present. They did the right thing a few years ago when they implemented GSAP to be U10, U11, U12 & U13 with NPL1 & 2 and GCL starting at U14, as the old system had girls trying to make the leap of faith from U13 NPL to U15 which is way to hard. The very talented and physically fit girls could make it but many could not and therefore would pull out of the game altogether as they lost faith in the system. This was one of the big drivers for the latest restructure some three years ago.
The male competitions have been restructured for 2020 with four divisions of 12 teams for U18, 20 and firsts, and two divisions of 24 teams for youth being U13, 14, 15, and 16.
The women's structure for 2020 has two divisions of 12 teams for both youth and seniors and then the GCL comp which has no relationship to NPL at all has one division of six clubs for U14, 15 and 17 and no adults.
Whilst the Hills region needs a women's NPL to cater for our talented girls and ladies, there is a huge opportunity at present to best position ourselves as a front runner to be granted an NPL position when this restructure occurs which will not be far away, or a club drops out.
The best way to that is to have the regions representative club in Hills United provide consistency and a development pathway from Girls SAP through GCL and be ready for NPL.
In my opinion it is absurd and shows a lack of experience and knowledge to have one organisation manage GSAP and another to manage GCL.
Presently Blacktown City and Dunbar want to be in womens NPL according to the rumour mill, however neither of them have GSAP in 2020, only GCL.
What a fantastic opportunity we look to have now missed where we could have had Hills United manage the GSAP and GCL and would have put Hills United, a member of Hills Football as the front runner to take the next available NPL position.
A tragic strategic error in my humble opinion!
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Post by sweeper on Oct 25, 2019 13:13:40 GMT 10
If both Dunbar and Blacktown City are added to NPL then that pretty much wipes out GCL as there will only be 4 teams left. I wonder if FNSW will consider creating a WNPL3 league by merging the GCL which could result in 3 leagues x 10 teams each. Adding a single team won't work as that will create a bye unless a team drops out.
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Post by ange on Oct 25, 2019 16:26:31 GMT 10
Apparently there are quite a few clubs who apply every year to GCL and get knocked back (Syd United for one).
The suggestion of NPL3 (with seniors) is a good one (and brings us back full circle to where we where before they got rid of state league).
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Post by dreamgoal on Oct 25, 2019 20:14:48 GMT 10
Apparently there are quite a few clubs who apply every year to GCL and get knocked back (Syd United for one). The suggestion of NPL3 (with seniors) is a good one (and brings us back full circle to where we where before they got rid of state league). FNSW should be embarrassed what they did to the women’s competition!! GCL offers no option for promotion without seniors as mentioned and is like dropping off a cliff for the 17’s who have little choice but to go back to club land!! Bring in a 19’s and then a First Grade in a year or two and have proper promotion/relegation!!
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