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Post by ange on Oct 26, 2020 16:06:57 GMT 10
A very positive development. Well done to both parties.
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Post by bartman on Oct 28, 2020 12:34:05 GMT 10
Last minute grab to deflect another Club getting their nose in the trough?
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Post by sweeper on Oct 29, 2020 14:04:50 GMT 10
Hopefully the Women's and Girl's participation rates increase so that there are more teams and clubs across the board
The Women's World Cup is a great opportunity and I hope it is used to improve the game
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Post by ange on Oct 29, 2020 14:31:23 GMT 10
FNSW announced their Declaration of Leagues. Hills United didn't get a gig in WNPL.... instead they put a bye in NPL2!
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Post by shabadabadoo on Oct 29, 2020 15:30:07 GMT 10
FNSW announced their Declaration of Leagues. Hills United didn't get a gig in WNPL.... instead they put a bye in NPL2! Ridiculous
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Post by hmm on Oct 29, 2020 15:36:37 GMT 10
I did not think FNSW would make any changes to 2021 as they stated many times there would be no changes subject to any teams withdrawing. The other issue was the Women's competition review was all put on hold due to caronavirus with no review nor recommendations being made.
Dunbar Rovers are no longer in the GCL program, Western FC have been moved from W NPL 2 to the GCL comp and a bye taking their place is poor.
On some of the social media sites it has been mentioned that generally all of the GCL teams nominated for W NPL2 making it a very tough decision on who to move and the ramifications would have likely meant the end to GCL.
Hopefully they sort this out for 2022 with the best outcome being the introduction of W NPL3 comp so benefits the juniors and seniors.
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Post by sweeper on Nov 1, 2020 11:05:12 GMT 10
I did not think FNSW would make any changes to 2021 as they stated many times there would be no changes subject to any teams withdrawing. The other issue was the Women's competition review was all put on hold due to caronavirus with no review nor recommendations being made. Dunbar Rovers are no longer in the GCL program, Western FC have been moved from W NPL 2 to the GCL comp and a bye taking their place is poor. On some of the social media sites it has been mentioned that generally all of the GCL teams nominated for W NPL2 making it a very tough decision on who to move and the ramifications would have likely meant the end to GCL. Hopefully they sort this out for 2022 with the best outcome being the introduction of W NPL3 comp so benefits the juniors and seniors.
What are the differences/ramifications between having the GCL and just renaming the GCL to WNPL3 ? Especially if all teams had nominated for a WNPL position.
I understand it would have been too difficult politically to relegate teams from WNPL1 to WNPL2 and from WNPL2 to WNPL3 to make a 3 x 10 team competition structure for 2021.
Maybe Dunbar might have stayed, maybe not. Dunbar now join Eastern Suburbs FA and Pagewood/Botany as having dropped out over the last few years
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Post by ange on Nov 1, 2020 12:32:44 GMT 10
I did not think FNSW would make any changes to 2021 as they stated many times there would be no changes subject to any teams withdrawing. The other issue was the Women's competition review was all put on hold due to caronavirus with no review nor recommendations being made. Dunbar Rovers are no longer in the GCL program, Western FC have been moved from W NPL 2 to the GCL comp and a bye taking their place is poor. On some of the social media sites it has been mentioned that generally all of the GCL teams nominated for W NPL2 making it a very tough decision on who to move and the ramifications would have likely meant the end to GCL. Hopefully they sort this out for 2022 with the best outcome being the introduction of W NPL3 comp so benefits the juniors and seniors.
What are the differences/ramifications between having the GCL and just renaming the GCL to WNPL3 ? Especially if all teams had nominated for a WNPL position.
I understand it would have been too difficult politically to relegate teams from WNPL1 to WNPL2 and from WNPL2 to WNPL3 to make a 3 x 10 team competition structure for 2021.
Maybe Dunbar might have stayed, maybe not. Dunbar now join Eastern Suburbs FA and Pagewood/Botany as having dropped out over the last few years
So, the WNPL divisions have seniors (reserve and first grade). Seniors run at a net loss to a club (players are sometimes paid or at least pay little to no fees) whereas GCL makes a profit (and SAP/GSAP make clubs a fortune). The country divisions have struggled to field senior teams in recent years. If suddenly Mt Druitt, Blacktown and the Hills had to field senior teams then we suddenly need an extra 100 senior players from this part of Sydney.... this will lead to some very weak teams (like Parra FC in the last year of State League). Parra FC and Granville Rage are also on that list of clubs given GCL licences who then pulled out (even before the comp started). GCL will be a very hard sell to parents this year... trips to Mudgee, South Coast and Camden as well as still no future beyond 17. In previous years, country clubs have had two home games for 1 away so that means a LOT of driving for the Sydney clubs.
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Post by sweeper on Nov 2, 2020 17:09:26 GMT 10
What are the differences/ramifications between having the GCL and just renaming the GCL to WNPL3 ? Especially if all teams had nominated for a WNPL position.
I understand it would have been too difficult politically to relegate teams from WNPL1 to WNPL2 and from WNPL2 to WNPL3 to make a 3 x 10 team competition structure for 2021.
Maybe Dunbar might have stayed, maybe not. Dunbar now join Eastern Suburbs FA and Pagewood/Botany as having dropped out over the last few years
So, the WNPL divisions have seniors (reserve and first grade). Seniors run at a net loss to a club (players are sometimes paid or at least pay little to no fees) whereas GCL makes a profit (and SAP/GSAP make clubs a fortune). The country divisions have struggled to field senior teams in recent years. If suddenly Mt Druitt, Blacktown and the Hills had to field senior teams then we suddenly need an extra 100 senior players from this part of Sydney.... this will lead to some very weak teams (like Parra FC in the last year of State League). Parra FC and Granville Rage are also on that list of clubs given GCL licences who then pulled out (even before the comp started). GCL will be a very hard sell to parents this year... trips to Mudgee, South Coast and Camden as well as still no future beyond 17. In previous years, country clubs have had two home games for 1 away so that means a LOT of driving for the Sydney clubs.
I saw the GCL U/17s moving into reserve grade becoming essentially an U/18 and then an U/20 reserve grade squad playing ex-GCL teams for a few years but as you point out getting enough senior players of quality for the first team is very difficult if not impossible.
In terms of future, it is a shame that there is no path for GCL to All Age Ladies in the Hills Association if the existing WNPL teams are not an option
Good to have a discussion on what options are out there for the girls/ladies
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Post by baulkokid on Nov 2, 2020 22:19:13 GMT 10
The big important thing is Hills has O/60 rep team now that will represent The Hills at Masters games. So older players can stay in the game & not feel like they are being put out to pasture.
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Post by ange on Nov 3, 2020 6:57:25 GMT 10
So, the WNPL divisions have seniors (reserve and first grade). Seniors run at a net loss to a club (players are sometimes paid or at least pay little to no fees) whereas GCL makes a profit (and SAP/GSAP make clubs a fortune). The country divisions have struggled to field senior teams in recent years. If suddenly Mt Druitt, Blacktown and the Hills had to field senior teams then we suddenly need an extra 100 senior players from this part of Sydney.... this will lead to some very weak teams (like Parra FC in the last year of State League). Parra FC and Granville Rage are also on that list of clubs given GCL licences who then pulled out (even before the comp started). GCL will be a very hard sell to parents this year... trips to Mudgee, South Coast and Camden as well as still no future beyond 17. In previous years, country clubs have had two home games for 1 away so that means a LOT of driving for the Sydney clubs.
I saw the GCL U/17s moving into reserve grade becoming essentially an U/18 and then an U/20 reserve grade squad playing ex-GCL teams for a few years but as you point out getting enough senior players of quality for the first team is very difficult if not impossible.
In terms of future, it is a shame that there is no path for GCL to All Age Ladies in the Hills Association if the existing WNPL teams are not an option
Good to have a discussion on what options are out there for the girls/ladies
I think Hills United should be following Mt Druitt's lead with regards to the GCL girls who will turn 18 next year. MT Druitt kept them together and entered them into the Phoenix U20 league (Blacktown and Granville combined). They gave them a good coach and it is part of Druitt's "sales pitch" to FNSW that they have seniors ready to go should they get given a WNPL license. I've always been of the view that Hills needs to combine with another association in order to get enough ladies divisions so that there is not such a wide ability range in each division as there is now.
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Post by HappyFeet on Nov 4, 2020 10:01:27 GMT 10
Probably a little off topic ange, but looking at the comp tables from North West Sydney Football, we already have some ladies / girls teams playing in their comp.
Their All Age Women's Div 1 comp was only a six team comp in 2020 with Kellyville Kolts and Winston Hills playing in it. Blacktown had an eight team comp in AAW div 1, Hills had a nine team comp in AAW div 1.
North Western Sydney Football had a combined U17/18 girls division 1 with a seven team comp with Rams, Kolts and Winsto competing in that.
Hopefully these teams return in 2021 which would make a big difference and strengthen our local comp.
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Post by ange on Nov 4, 2020 11:23:49 GMT 10
Probably a little off topic ange, but looking at the comp tables from North West Sydney Football, we already have some ladies / girls teams playing in their comp. Their All Age Women's Div 1 comp was only a six team comp in 2020 with Kellyville Kolts and Winston Hills playing in it. Blacktown had an eight team comp in AAW div 1, Hills had a nine team comp in AAW div 1. North Western Sydney Football had a combined U17/18 girls division 1 with a seven team comp with Rams, Kolts and Winsto competing in that. Hopefully these teams return in 2021 which would make a big difference and strengthen our local comp. From what you say with the number of teams playing in North West, maybe we should explore more links with them. It does involve a bit of driving but for the sake of more even competition, I think most players would find it workthwhile.
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Post by wanderers2148 on Nov 19, 2020 14:42:19 GMT 10
So, the WNPL divisions have seniors (reserve and first grade). Seniors run at a net loss to a club (players are sometimes paid or at least pay little to no fees) whereas GCL makes a profit (and SAP/GSAP make clubs a fortune). The country divisions have struggled to field senior teams in recent years. If suddenly Mt Druitt, Blacktown and the Hills had to field senior teams then we suddenly need an extra 100 senior players from this part of Sydney.... this will lead to some very weak teams (like Parra FC in the last year of State League). Parra FC and Granville Rage are also on that list of clubs given GCL licences who then pulled out (even before the comp started). GCL will be a very hard sell to parents this year... trips to Mudgee, South Coast and Camden as well as still no future beyond 17. In previous years, country clubs have had two home games for 1 away so that means a LOT of driving for the Sydney clubs.
I saw the GCL U/17s moving into reserve grade becoming essentially an U/18 and then an U/20 reserve grade squad playing ex-GCL teams for a few years but as you point out getting enough senior players of quality for the first team is very difficult if not impossible.
In terms of future, it is a shame that there is no path for GCL to All Age Ladies in the Hills Association if the existing WNPL teams are not an option
Good to have a discussion on what options are out there for the girls/ladies
GCL or NPLW3 or whatever it is branded as is a waste of time, effort and money. Reps should be elite and GCL is not that, all that level is doing is taking players out of Association comps that should be there.
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