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Post by dreamgoal on Jul 28, 2019 22:20:20 GMT 10
Disappointingly Kellyville White went about destroying their fellow club team this afternoon in a local derby where they showed with great conviction, the disparity between the two divisions beating them 19-0!!!
Other breaking news, apparently Glenhaven took the afternoon off after choosing to forfeit their match leaving Winston Hills White without a game, would be interested to know if there was a credible reason or if they just decided not to play because they don’t like to lose???
From what I have seen and heard around the grounds most teams have approached the situation and games with a great attitude and sense of sportsmanship!!
Roll on 2020 and an improved competition!!
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Post by guest2 on Jul 28, 2019 22:57:58 GMT 10
The thing we are assuming here is that these other leagues will take us. Given the acrimony with Granville from a few years back they may not be keen and North West Womens has just amalgamated with Gladesville-Hornsby, they might be busy enough with their own problems before solving ours. That said, we should try. I agree we have to try and also agree Granville may not be keen especially as when they asked us to join them for girls/ladies we told them to piss off but the reality is that is the only way forward. If it about what is best for football then we have to try if it is about ego like last time then do nothing and watch it die. Winsto will not come back and why would they, the gap between where they are now and our current (well old) Division 1 is 8-10 goals per game. The GCL you are talking about coming up, well they would also be another 5 goals away from that. The ones that have been placed in Div2 well you saw what happened today, so we have pissed off the entire Div1 comp, now the entire Div2 comp which is more than half of the very few ladies we have left, if this was mens football there would be uproar but it's only girls right HFA. Ranger there is no implications for Champions of Champions, each Association puts teams forward and BDSFA and GDSFA both nominate their highest placed Div1 team to enter so not sure how there would be an issue here. Dreamgoal your comment on 'teams have approached the situation and games with a great attitude and sense of sportsmanship ' after outlining a 19-0 scoreline today is dumb beyond belief.
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Post by dreamgoal on Jul 28, 2019 23:09:45 GMT 10
The thing we are assuming here is that these other leagues will take us. Given the acrimony with Granville from a few years back they may not be keen and North West Womens has just amalgamated with Gladesville-Hornsby, they might be busy enough with their own problems before solving ours. That said, we should try. I agree we have to try and also agree Granville may not be keen especially as when they asked us to join them for girls/ladies we told them to piss off but the reality is that is the only way forward. If it about what is best for football then we have to try if it is about ego like last time then do nothing and watch it die. Winsto will not come back and why would they, the gap between where they are now and our current (well old) Division 1 is 8-10 goals per game. The GCL you are talking about coming up, well they would also be another 5 goals away from that. The ones that have been placed in Div2 well you saw what happened today, so we have pissed off the entire Div1 comp, now the entire Div2 comp which is more than half of the very few ladies we have left, if this was mens football there would be uproar but it's only girls right HFA. Ranger there is no implications for Champions of Champions, each Association puts teams forward and BDSFA and GDSFA both nominate their highest placed Div1 team to enter so not sure how there would be an issue here. Dreamgoal your comment on 'teams have approached the situation and games with a great attitude and sense of sportsmanship ' after outlining a 19-0 scoreline today is dumb beyond belief. Maybe if you took the time to read the post you would have seen the key words, “MOST TEAMS”...... You seem to talk a lot on the thread but unfortunately make little sense... What’s your involvement??
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Post by guest2 on Jul 28, 2019 23:20:38 GMT 10
I agree we have to try and also agree Granville may not be keen especially as when they asked us to join them for girls/ladies we told them to piss off but the reality is that is the only way forward. If it about what is best for football then we have to try if it is about ego like last time then do nothing and watch it die. Winsto will not come back and why would they, the gap between where they are now and our current (well old) Division 1 is 8-10 goals per game. The GCL you are talking about coming up, well they would also be another 5 goals away from that. The ones that have been placed in Div2 well you saw what happened today, so we have pissed off the entire Div1 comp, now the entire Div2 comp which is more than half of the very few ladies we have left, if this was mens football there would be uproar but it's only girls right HFA. Ranger there is no implications for Champions of Champions, each Association puts teams forward and BDSFA and GDSFA both nominate their highest placed Div1 team to enter so not sure how there would be an issue here. Dreamgoal your comment on 'teams have approached the situation and games with a great attitude and sense of sportsmanship ' after outlining a 19-0 scoreline today is dumb beyond belief. Maybe if you took the time to read the post you would have seen the key words, “MOST TEAMS”...... You seem to talk a lot on the thread but unfortunately make little sense... What’s your involvement?? Yea pretty sure most would agree I make a little more sense than your 'roll on 2020 and an improved competition' and '19-0 good sportsmanship' head in the sand attitude, are we even sure there will be a AAL comp in 2020. My involvement is coaching girls from U10 to Div 1 AAL for 29 years in 3 different Associations, including this one and my kids played in GDSFA, then Hills and are now in the Phoenix League as well as a kid playing in Hills. This is the Premier competition in the HFA for half the population, imagine if we were talking about Mens PL here? But she'll be right mate, roll on 2020 ay!
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Post by dreamgoal on Jul 28, 2019 23:29:34 GMT 10
Maybe if you took the time to read the post you would have seen the key words, “MOST TEAMS”...... You seem to talk a lot on the thread but unfortunately make little sense... What’s your involvement?? Yea pretty sure most would agree I make a little more sense than your 'roll on 2020 and an improved competition' and '19-0 good sportsmanship' head in the sand attitude, are we even sure there will be a AAL comp in 2020. My involvement is coaching girls from U10 to Div 1 AAL for 29 years in 3 different Associations, including this one. This is the Premier competition in the HFA for half the population, imagine if we were talking about Mens PL here? But she'll be right mate, roll on 2020 ay! Wow!! With all your wisdom and experience, let’s hope you have chosen to take part In the standing committee for women’s football for 2020, you clearly have taken a comment intended to be positive and turned it into a distraction to the issue!! I never stated that the 19-0 result was good sportsmanship, you took it upon yourself to come to that conclusion!! Anyway, I hope with all of this wisdom and experience across three competitions that you get a team together for 2020 and add value to the competition by entering them into AAL 1’s, good luck!!
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Post by ranger on Jul 29, 2019 7:53:52 GMT 10
Ranger there is no implications for Champions of Champions, each Association puts teams forward and BDSFA and GDSFA both nominate their highest placed Div1 team to enter so not sure how there would be an issue here.
I was not aware of that, thanks for clarifying
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Post by ange on Jul 31, 2019 10:23:41 GMT 10
Any reports back from the town hall meeting. Useful or not? Any new ideas? Consensus reached?
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Jul 31, 2019 21:42:34 GMT 10
How about the assoc and FNSW waive fees for AAL and clubs have 1/2 price registration.
Gotta try something and if that doesn’t we’ll it never will.
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Post by ange on Aug 1, 2019 7:32:47 GMT 10
How about the assoc and FNSW waive fees for AAL and clubs have 1/2 price registration. Gotta try something and if that doesn’t we’ll it never will. That would be the solution if the money was the problem.... but it isn't.
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Post by ranger on Aug 1, 2019 8:27:26 GMT 10
Any reports back from the town hall meeting. Useful or not? Any new ideas? Consensus reached?
I believe it is all being referred to a Standing Committee to deal with these issues
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Post by dreamgoal on Aug 1, 2019 18:16:52 GMT 10
Any reports back from the town hall meeting. Useful or not? Any new ideas? Consensus reached?
I believe it is all being referred to a Standing Committee to deal with these issues
That’s correct and it would appear they are close to announcing the Standing Committee soon as two well credentialed and heavily involved people that I know of have been told their interest is not required....🙄 With regards to the refund/money comments, I think this is the least they can and should consider as a credit for next year to try and entice players back for 2020! I agree the money isn’t the real issue, however, when girl have paid $380 to play in a totally disfunctional competition with numerous forfeits etc it needs to be considered or the girls simply won’t come back!! It was a discussed topic at the meeting!!
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Aug 1, 2019 18:29:53 GMT 10
How about the assoc and FNSW waive fees for AAL and clubs have 1/2 price registration. Gotta try something and if that doesn’t we’ll it never will. That would be the solution if the money was the problem.... but it isn't. The money discounted price would be an acknowledgment that AAL aren’t getting any bang for their buck. How many of the Board and Hills Staff have been asleep at the wheel as this hasn’t just happened overnight.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 19:35:30 GMT 10
If we are looking for a quick & easy fix for the Ladies 1 competition then let market forces do the job for you. Make it free registration for all players next year in the Ladies 1 competition & see how many extra players that pulls in. You could then gradually increase the fees over the next few years eg, year 2 offer a 50 % reduction, year 3 offer a 25% reduction, and so on. Their is plenty of flexibility in adjusting prices in response to the changes in demand. Once a strong & viable competition is up & running you can scrap the price incentive scheme & revert to the status quo or continue with some modified discount structure. Definitely worth a try as nothing else seems to be working at the moment. I hate quoting myself..... but......we seem to be going around in circles with this discussion. Yes there are some problems with the Girls / Ladies competitions. Yes the Association is attempting to improve the situation. However, we just can't put all the blame on the Association, individual clubs also have a responsibility to try to assist in growing numbers in these competitions. If every club adopted measures to attract more players then this would go a long way to solving the problem. If only half the clubs in the Association could provide a team to compete in the Ladies 1 competition then this would be a great start. Clubs need to make better use of the social media avenues that they have at their disposal to get their message out to potential players. They need to set up information stalls in local shopping centres to attract players. They need to run skills days or trials for teams. They need to reach out to local schools & form a partnership. They need to form a sub-committee to recommend, implement & oversee any adopted strategies etc etc. We can't expect, nor should we, the Association to do everything for us but it should be a combined effort.
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Post by stan on Aug 2, 2019 5:59:52 GMT 10
they play next year for free
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Post by crazycow on Aug 2, 2019 11:54:32 GMT 10
Oracle makes a good case and whether this is a suitable strategy comes down to whether or not everyone(led by the standing committee) has the appetite to go through another year on our own or prefers to join with Blacktown, Granville or GH/NWSW comp. I agree we should have the numbers to stand on our own but we just dont have a good enough product or are not marketing it well enough. A heavily financially subsidised comp (if properly advertised) may appease those who were wronged this year and potentially entice whole teams from those other comps as well as bringing in girls and women who are new to the game.
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