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Post by hooroo on Apr 16, 2017 10:56:38 GMT 10
Look what one academy did to Hills Grammar a few years back - basically used its relationship to recruit and lure the talented players from the school over to their academy also run at another Hills club. I understand it's a business, but this was consciously under handed. Academy only lasted two seasons and Grammar now under the leadership of a much more professional TD.
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 16, 2017 11:00:24 GMT 10
Raymond, Overlord has given you the answer. It isn't about dollars, it's about making the local competitions fair and desirable to play in. I've seen in previous years the effects of these academies on State Cup matches. They blow local teams out of the water and are more suited to rep level. As has been said, there is nothing wrong with kids getting extra coaching from pro coaches... it is when the academy fields complete teams that it is bad for the local competition. I'm sure Alex Tobin doesn't agree with it not being about money. Ask him for yourself next time you see him. Impacts directly on his department.
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 16, 2017 11:04:48 GMT 10
Raymond, Overlord has given you the answer. It isn't about dollars, it's about making the local competitions fair and desirable to play in. I've seen in previous years the effects of these academies on State Cup matches. They blow local teams out of the water and are more suited to rep level. As has been said, there is nothing wrong with kids getting extra coaching from pro coaches... it is when the academy fields complete teams that it is bad for the local competition. Overlord hasn't given an answer he's provide an opinion. Read up on what the difference is and then provide an educated response.
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Post by ange on Apr 16, 2017 12:52:14 GMT 10
An answer can be an opinion. Let's discuss the issue rather than try to play word games and be insulting.
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 16, 2017 14:28:59 GMT 10
Are academies good or bad, that up to the consumer to decide, not FNSW or any other administrator of football who is on a power trip.
Anybody with a bit of sweet talking can put together a dream team for the purpose of winning an age based competition, so suggesting this happens predominantly through academies is incorrect.
There is nothing in the FFA Statutes and Regulations that would support any sanctions being applied to clubs that align themselves with an academy.
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Post by The Weeknd on Apr 16, 2017 22:40:52 GMT 10
Are academies good or bad, that up to the consumer to decide, not FNSW or any other administrator of football who is on a power trip. Anybody with a bit of sweet talking can put together a dream team for the purpose of winning an age based competition, so suggesting this happens predominantly through academies is incorrect. There is nothing in the FFA Statutes and Regulations that would support any sanctions being applied to clubs that align themselves with an academy. Why do we need to pay $2000 for our kids to play division one for their local park football team?
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 17, 2017 7:23:23 GMT 10
Are academies good or bad, that up to the consumer to decide, not FNSW or any other administrator of football who is on a power trip. Anybody with a bit of sweet talking can put together a dream team for the purpose of winning an age based competition, so suggesting this happens predominantly through academies is incorrect. There is nothing in the FFA Statutes and Regulations that would support any sanctions being applied to clubs that align themselves with an academy. Why do we need to pay $2000 for our kids to play division one for their local park football team? You don't. You have a choice to utilise an academy program or not. If your current club requires you to partake in the academy you can do a couple of things, either change clubs which I certainly wouldn't do and the other is go to the AGM and speak up about what you believe is an unfair requirement. Those in your club who encourage this requirement have no place in the management of your club. An academy should be offered as choice not compulsory.
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Post by The Weeknd on Apr 17, 2017 7:38:24 GMT 10
Why do we need to pay $2000 for our kids to play division one for their local park football team? You don't. You have a choice to utilise an academy program or not. If your current club requires you to partake in the academy you can do a couple of things, either change clubs which I certainly wouldn't do and the other is go to the AGM and speak up about what you believe is an unfair requirement. Those in your club who encourage this requirement have no place in the management of your club. An academy should be offered as choice not compulsory. To me it's park football. Shouldn't need to change clubs to play park football. Isnt there a premier youth league Comp for elite players? Are these academies pathways to PYL?
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 17, 2017 7:41:47 GMT 10
You don't. You have a choice to utilise an academy program or not. If your current club requires you to partake in the academy you can do a couple of things, either change clubs which I certainly wouldn't do and the other is go to the AGM and speak up about what you believe is an unfair requirement. Those in your club who encourage this requirement have no place in the management of your club. An academy should be offered as choice not compulsory. To me it's park football. Shouldn't need to change clubs to play park football. Isnt there a premier youth league Comp for elite players? Are these academies pathways to PYL? [ Agree, shouldn't need to change clubs. Does your club provide notice in writing for registration purposes that enrolling in the academy is mandatory.
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Post by The Weeknd on Apr 17, 2017 7:53:57 GMT 10
To me it's park football. Shouldn't need to change clubs to play park football. Isnt there a premier youth league Comp for elite players? Are these academies pathways to PYL? [ Agree, shouldn't need to change clubs. Does your club provide notice in writing for registration purposes that enrolling in the academy is mandatory. notice in writing are semantics. The academy team doesn't even get involved in grading days, they're separated. The intent is clear. Doesn't matter if it's in writing. The practice is wrong and unnecessary. Parents can do what they want for private tuition. It doesn't need to involve entire teams and shouldn't exclude players from being graded with the rest of the age group.
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 17, 2017 8:02:16 GMT 10
[ Agree, shouldn't need to change clubs. Does your club provide notice in writing for registration purposes that enrolling in the academy is mandatory. notice in writing are semantics. The academy team doesn't even get involved in grading days, they're separated. The intent is clear. Doesn't matter if it's in writing. The practice is wrong and unnecessary. Parents can do what they want for private tuition. It doesn't need to involve entire teams and shouldn't exclude players from being graded with the rest of the age group. Obviously the academy team is parents doing what they want by being involved in the academy set up. I don't see a problem with it as they all are fully aware and agreeable. The FFA Statutes and Regulations doesn't exclude players from registering because they are part of an academy. Read it for yourself. It's a choice by parents to do the academy.
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Post by hooroo on Apr 17, 2017 22:42:36 GMT 10
I love academy parents. They "choose" to pay $2K per season for a result, only to be beaten by a $200 rego fee. I say keep them - it's great theatre!
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 18, 2017 11:22:18 GMT 10
Sport and more so football in particular is far far over regulated by individuals who get an adrenaline rush from being a position of some power.
Just let people decide what they want to do and where and for how much.
Associations just run competitions in a timely manner and stop inventing ways of being a pain in the backside.
Worry about things on the pitch and not off it.
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Post by RedCard on Apr 22, 2017 22:19:26 GMT 10
Question: Shouldn't every kid have the right to play football?
Question: Should a park football club stop a kid from playing in a team because he/she is not in the academy associated, even though the kid is good enough to be in that team? (Raymond, you mentioned about democracy before, is this not a reverse state?)
My kids have done all pathways... 1 went to park football, an academy, and youth league - 1 went to park football, metro league, youth league (no academy)...
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 22, 2017 22:56:28 GMT 10
Question: Shouldn't every kid have the right to play football? Question: Should a park football club stop a kid from playing in a team because he/she is not in the academy associated, even though the kid is good enough to be in that team? (Raymond, you mentioned about democracy before, is this not a reverse state?) My kids have done all pathways... 1 went to park football, an academy, and youth league - 1 went to park football, metro league, youth league (no academy)... Did this academy team have a grading process?
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