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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 21:38:39 GMT 10
The following statement was put out today by Hills Football. There was an accompanying document by MWFA which I have not included due to the length of the document but it is probably available on the Manly Football Association website. Kurt Johnson" <kurt@hillsfootball.com.au> Date: 13 April 2017 at 3:57:20 pm AEST To: "'Kurt Johnson'" <kurt@hillsfootball.com.au> Subject: Hills Football & Private Academies Hi All, I wanted to share the attached and below around in regards to dealings with academies and private coaching. As many of you are aware, Hills Football has implemented By Law 2.2, which effectively prohibits the use of private academies from season 2018 and beyond. Hills Football will be putting together a working group / committee to assess the 2017 season, review the use of academies and make recommendations to the board in regards to this issue. More information regarding this will become available in the near future. The use of academies is a larger issue in football across the country. There are many arguments for, and many arguments against. Football NSW has a clear stance on academies. In their guidelines for the State Cups & Champion of Champion competitions, it states that any club that engages in private academies are not permitted to participate in the competitions. www.footballnsw.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Rules___Regulations/Competitions/2017_Tournaments/20161208_-_LEG_-_Champion_of_Champions_Regulations_2017__KB_.pdf Manly Football Association has the attached document in relation to the use of academies. It acknowledges that academies have a place in football to provide additional skills or training, but not to organise teams to play and compete in competitions by the association or FNSW. Hills Football acknowledges the issues and circumstances around private academies, and is ensuring to develop a solution that is in the best interest of community football. For further information, please don’t hesitate to ask. Thanks Kurt
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 14, 2017 18:50:41 GMT 10
Last time I checked we lived in a democracy.
It's got more to do with FNSW loosing out on potential income.
Nobody, club or individual should be singled out ever for using a private academy.
Once again organisations trying to tell people what to do.
Don't see the Education Department saying pupils can't use private tutors.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 19:22:23 GMT 10
The use of private academies in providing skills training for clubs seems to be acceptable, however, it is the organising of teams to play in competitions that is not acceptable.
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 14, 2017 19:25:01 GMT 10
The use of private academies in providing skills training for clubs seems to be acceptable, however, it is the organising of teams to play in competitions that is not acceptable. I've read the full briefing on MWFA. It's a bit more than just that. Lots of grey in this policy or whatever they choose to call it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 20:25:03 GMT 10
Whatever the fine print there are ramifications for a number of Hills Clubs with associations with private academies.
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Post by Yeah on Apr 14, 2017 20:31:05 GMT 10
Which current Hills Clubs have an association with Academies ?
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 14, 2017 21:07:33 GMT 10
Shouldn't be introduced retrospective.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 21:12:24 GMT 10
Which current Hills Clubs have an association with Academies ? I think there are at least three ie, Hills Knights, Castle Hill RSL & North Rocks. There may be others but these are the only three that I have heard mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 21:17:39 GMT 10
Shouldn't be introduced retrospective. If the Hills Clubs are only using the academies for training purposes then I can't see a problem. The problem would revolve around academy teams playing under the club's banner.
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 15, 2017 7:01:09 GMT 10
Shouldn't be introduced retrospective. If the Hills Clubs are only using the academies for training purposes then I can't see a problem. The problem would revolve around academy teams playing under the club's banner. I'm of the view that academies will be completely outlawed in any shape or form. I wonder if this will constitute a restraint of trade under the Trade Practices Act. The emergence of a income threat to FNSW sees a Nazi style approach again from this organisation.
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Post by Oake on Apr 15, 2017 8:31:57 GMT 10
If they pay their club, and therefore FFA fee, what does it matter what a player does outside of that? If there is no financial arrangement between the academy and the club, what does it matter if an academy side plays under a clubs colours?
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Post by lovefootball on Apr 15, 2017 9:10:04 GMT 10
Whatever people's opinions are, we have to abide by the governing body's regulations and that is no club is permitted to enter teams into State Cup or CoC if they have an academy coaching and controlling a team or teams. It is not a restraint of trade because the governing body is in control of its own football competition and clubs have affiliated in accordance with their regulations.
I think we would agree academies have their place, I personally think they offer a good service to increase players skills and development particularly if the club does not have the experience to deliver this service themselves. Can FNSW ban academies completely, I doubt they could but they certainly have the ability to ban clubs or teams from their tournaments if teams are controlled by an academy. Like it or lump it, the regulation is black and white and it would appear most if not all associations support the position.
Upskilling the coaching ability of clubs and coaches should be a key objective of every association and club.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 13:36:59 GMT 10
If the Hills Clubs are only using the academies for training purposes then I can't see a problem. The problem would revolve around academy teams playing under the club's banner. I'm of the view that academies will be completely outlawed in any shape or form. I wonder if this will constitute a restraint of trade under the Trade Practices Act. The emergence of a income threat to FNSW sees a Nazi style approach again from this organisation. Raymond, I think that FNSW are just trying to ensure that there is a level playing field when it comes to competitions so that they are not dominated by a few hand picked elite teams.
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Apr 15, 2017 16:10:00 GMT 10
FNSW are more concerned about the $$$ going into the bank accounts of privately run academies, which of course are legitimate legal entities in place of FNSW training and coaching programs.
If people just went about their business without trying to eradicate any competition that comes up from time to time then the sport would be better off.
Let private enterprise be private enterprise and if a club chooses to use a certain academy, so be it.
Freedom of speech, freedom of choice are still part of our democracy.
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Post by ange on Apr 16, 2017 9:22:42 GMT 10
Raymond, Overlord has given you the answer. It isn't about dollars, it's about making the local competitions fair and desirable to play in. I've seen in previous years the effects of these academies on State Cup matches. They blow local teams out of the water and are more suited to rep level.
As has been said, there is nothing wrong with kids getting extra coaching from pro coaches... it is when the academy fields complete teams that it is bad for the local competition.
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