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Post by herewego on Jun 2, 2022 16:28:41 GMT 10
What happened to Kellyville - they were given a 3-0 forfeit loss against Winsto Illegal player perhaps ? Anyone The Axe They played illegal players. I heard that they played several players under the age of 45. According to their Rafferty's Rules....bloody shambles
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Post by The Weeknd on Jun 2, 2022 16:37:21 GMT 10
Would this be harder to do if we had physical ID cards in addition to dribl?
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Post by dog657 on Jun 2, 2022 16:47:45 GMT 10
What happened to Kellyville - they were given a 3-0 forfeit loss against Winsto Illegal player perhaps ? Anyone The Axe To answer your question Axe In the blended comp under NWFA rules you can register 2 players 42 and over. Kolts ‘borrowed’ 2 players for the Winsto game only to be told afterwards that you can’t borrow under age players! Honest mistake by our Coach and we Really don’t see the difference between the two but we’ve copped it on the chins and we move on! Can’t wait to come back and play in the Hills comp next season!
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Post by sports99 on Jun 2, 2022 16:48:34 GMT 10
Would this be harder to do if we had physical ID cards in addition to dribl? There are id cards in dribl, each time has to submit an electronic teamsheet, the teamsheets has all players id cards. If you are going to compete in a compettion, the tem manager must read the rules. Obviously the kolts manager did not read the rules or understood the rules.
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Post by dog657 on Jun 2, 2022 17:01:55 GMT 10
Would this be harder to do if we had physical ID cards in addition to dribl? There are id cards in dribl, each time has to submit an electronic teamsheet, the teamsheets has all players id cards. If you are going to compete in a compettion, the tem manager must read the rules. Obviously the kolts manager did not read the rules or understood the rules. Here you go sport, have a read of these rules and tell me you understand them and where it says we can’t borrow underage players? Over 45/1s are governed by the NWSF Ltd Competition Regulations Clause 9.6 covers Playing Out of Grade (Borrowed Players) More specifically 9.6.1.5. Over Age teams may borrow players from higher grades subject to the following criteria: 9.6.1.5.1. Players who meet the age eligibility rules for an over age competition, may play in any match in that over age competition, even if in a lower grade or division to the one they are registered in, provided they meet the rules in the clause 9.6.1.5.2 to 9.6.1.5.4. Clause 5.1 covers Age Eligibility rules More specifically 5.1.3 Over Age Grades 5.1.3.1 To be eligible to play in “over age” grades, a player must be over the relevant age on 31st December in the previous year. 5.1.4 Age Eligibility Exemptions 5.1.4.1 For Mixed Over 45 teams, the Club may register a maximum of two (2) players who are 42 years of age or over, on or by the 31st December the previous year
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Post by theaxe on Jun 2, 2022 19:23:24 GMT 10
Thanks for clearing it up dog657 - it can happen. Hurstville Minotours were kicked out 3 or 4 seasons ago from the COC for a similar mistake.
I suppose it does make sense that you cannot "borrow" under age players because you could potentially be playing 4 x 42 year olds (if you are borrowing 2 players that are 42 years old)
The Axe
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Post by herewego on Jun 2, 2022 20:41:52 GMT 10
But Axe where does it say you can't borrow under age players?
If you have borrowed under-age players and satisfy the maximum of 2 under-age players allowed to play on match day,then surely you have met the age eligibility rule allowed under the over 45 exemption for borrowing players. Isn't that what the by-laws state?
Dog, I can see your point. Your team should appeal?
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Post by theaxe on Jun 2, 2022 21:31:46 GMT 10
herewego Easy tiger we are here to give opinions that's all. We don't know if Kellyville already had any under 42 players playing, you seem to know a lot. dog 657 who is from kolts has already stated that they have moved on. Are you from Kolts ? Not that you would tell us..... I just simply asked why Kolts were deducted points - dog657 answered the question. I am moving on, there are more important things to talk about.
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Post by herewego on Jun 2, 2022 21:48:08 GMT 10
No Axe to grind here. Just a neutral observer curious on your thought process. All good and I rest my case.
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Post by sports99 on Jun 3, 2022 12:32:10 GMT 10
When using the match seets in dribl, there's a section where you can select borrowed players. Only palyers that are eligible to play for the 45/1's will be listed. Any under age player will not be displayed.
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Post by zizou on Jun 3, 2022 16:07:50 GMT 10
The by laws are clear, the exemption and the borrowing rules are mutually exclusive so not surprised the points were stripped from Kolts. They need to be brought back to the pack anyway.
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Post by blahblah on Jun 3, 2022 16:49:47 GMT 10
But Axe where does it say you can't borrow under age players? If you have borrowed under-age players and satisfy the maximum of 2 under-age players allowed to play on match day,then surely you have met the age eligibility rule allowed under the over 45 exemption for borrowing players. Isn't that what the by-laws state? Dog, I can see your point. Your team should appeal? Because thats not the rule (..and satisfy the maximum of 2 under-age players allowed to play on match day..) The rule is a team can register two under age players for their team i.e. register / add them to their normal team (not borrow them). The rule is not.. ensure they only have 2 under-age players on any match day including any borrowed players. Someone else further down mentioned that you need to add borrowed players into your teamsheet via dribl and it should only allow you to insert eligible players. Presumably if this team did try to add those players and they weren't available to add but decided to play them anyway then therein lies the issue. If the players were added to the teamsheet via dribl then there is an issue with the software that needs to be addressed.
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Post by fergi on Jun 3, 2022 17:25:02 GMT 10
It must have been a straight forward issue, it took the NW association more than a month to make a decision. At first the result doesn’t get published for a couple of weeks, then it’s published and the Kolts win stands, then weeks pass again and it’s reversed and a forfeit is awarded. Clear as mud, at least the rules are now understood by all including the association who had a couple of bites of the cherry.
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Post by dog657 on Jun 3, 2022 23:19:33 GMT 10
But Axe where does it say you can't borrow under age players? If you have borrowed under-age players and satisfy the maximum of 2 under-age players allowed to play on match day,then surely you have met the age eligibility rule allowed under the over 45 exemption for borrowing players. Isn't that what the by-laws state? Dog, I can see your point. Your team should appeal? Because thats not the rule (..and satisfy the maximum of 2 under-age players allowed to play on match day..) The rule is a team can register two under age players for their team i.e. register / add them to their normal team (not borrow them). The rule is not.. ensure they only have 2 under-age players on any match day including any borrowed players. Someone else further down mentioned that you need to add borrowed players into your teamsheet via dribl and it should only allow you to insert eligible players. Presumably if this team did try to add those players and they weren't available to add but decided to play them anyway then therein lies the issue. If the players were added to the teamsheet via dribl then there is an issue with the software that needs to be addressed. This particular game was entered on a paper team sheet so no warning signs came up, the 2 under 45 players were added to the teamsheet with no intent to cheat as we felt they were eligible. As I said before, mistake was made, punishment handed down, move on and win NWFA comp and then come back to the hills next season! 😉
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Jun 4, 2022 9:00:34 GMT 10
For a simple amateur game with a ball, ground, players ect the encyclopedia of rules makes it far more complicated.
You’ve got people on association sub committee that haven’t a clue how to correctly read, interrupt or understand the regulations they enforce.
Whichever way the rule is written or otherwise the rationale behind it was to permit no more than 2 underage players participating in a fixture.
How one comes to that is irrelevant as long as the primary reasoning behind the rule isn’t breached.
Was there any advantage gained by the team that borrowed the players?
If so what was that advantage?
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