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Post by FTown on Mar 26, 2022 9:31:26 GMT 10
I hope the combined Div 1 comp is a success and a place O35 Div 1 teams want to join down the track and stay competitive
Div 2 is an ideal format for the rest - last years top 4 in Div 2 would have been competitive on their day but never a match to Kolts on a consistent basis
Once O25 Kellyville United and Baulko go to O45s we may see a chainring of the guards but for now KK need decent competition and not a coronation parade that lasts 18weeks
Div 2 looks good and will be a tight call between Rangers, Rams and Castle Hill
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 10:07:55 GMT 10
Just playing Devil's Advocate here. Does this now mean that any other Division 1 competition in the Hills which are being dominated by a few outstanding teams has the right to request the formation of a blended competition with another association to give the other lesser teams a more enjoyable season & provide stiffer competition for the gun teams ? 🤔
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Post by FTown on Mar 26, 2022 11:17:25 GMT 10
I suppose the biggest issue is that the gun teams experience too many forfeits and don’t actually get regular football which surely can not be the point especially at O45s where there is a fuse on fitness and health
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 11:37:48 GMT 10
I suppose the biggest issue is that the gun teams experience too many forfeits and don’t actually get regular football which surely can not be the point especially at O45s where there is a fuse on fitness and health So what you are saying is that older players don't like being beaten by significant scores so they spit the dummy & forfeit. I don't imagine younger players like getting flogged either but they still turn up to play. We constantly tell our junior players that losing is part of character building & that they take the good with the bad. By forfeiting the older players are doing themselves out of valuable game time & impacting their own health & fitness benefits that they would receive. Isn't it better to play & have a run than not to play ? Who knows...maybe by playing stronger teams they might even improve their own skills & fitness. I constantly hear from older players that they continue to play for the social & fitness benefits that they receive. Obviously then winning is more important for some than others.
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Post by liverpool on Mar 26, 2022 11:37:58 GMT 10
I hope the combined Div 1 comp is a success and a place O35 Div 1 teams want to join down the track and stay competitive Div 2 is an ideal format for the rest - last years top 4 in Div 2 would have been competitive on their day but never a match to Kolts on a consistent basis Once O25 Kellyville United and Baulko go to O45s we may see a chainring of the guards but for now KK need decent competition and not a coronation parade that lasts 18weeks Div 2 looks good and will be a tight call between Rangers, Rams and Castle Hill Have the Knights team from Div 2 last year not come back, I thought they were the pick of the crop last year.
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Post by herewego on Mar 26, 2022 12:48:22 GMT 10
Agreed Oracle, well said, the defeatist approach and fixation with playing against the top gun teams a handful of times in a season of 18 rounds seems to contradict the supposed focus on social and fitness benefits gained in this age group. Not to mention these top teams are also ageing and injury prone like the rest of the 45's teams too.
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Post by blahblah on Mar 28, 2022 10:37:29 GMT 10
I suppose the biggest issue is that the gun teams experience too many forfeits and don’t actually get regular football which surely can not be the point especially at O45s where there is a fuse on fitness and health So what you are saying is that older players don't like being beaten by significant scores so they spit the dummy & forfeit. I don't imagine younger players like getting flogged either but they still turn up to play. We constantly tell our junior players that losing is part of character building & that they take the good with the bad. By forfeiting the older players are doing themselves out of valuable game time & impacting their own health & fitness benefits that they would receive. Isn't it better to play & have a run than not to play ? Who knows...maybe by playing stronger teams they might even improve their own skills & fitness. I constantly hear from older players that they continue to play for the social & fitness benefits that they receive. Obviously then winning is more important for some than others. Its hard to address the issue without being specific (as that then changes the discussion either way). I am sure that in general, more than less would agree with your sentiment that people playing sport should take the good with the bad BUT that only is a fair statement when there is an even amount of good and bad (or even close to). I don't play 45s so not sure but I think in this case its specifically 3 (4?) teams that are hands and above everyone else. So in this case specifically - if you had an 8 team local comp the remaining teams in Div 1 that aren't in the same league as the elite - you suggest (very politely) those poorer teams to just 'suck it up' (effectively) but they are not just facing an occasional game of guaranteed drubbing - it would be every second week. I have mentioned before that our O35 in the early stages of the Hills Comp played Div 1 to fill out the numbers and we lost every single match. Not fun. I think if you are going to make general statements then, in my humble opinion, the overriding principle of park / social football is for it to be the most amount of fun for the most amount of members (so by having a merged Div 1 comp across associations IS the best way for it to be the most amount of fun for the most amount of members. If that means prioritising the interests of 12 mediocre 045 teams over the interests of 3 or 4 O45 teams then so be it - the community at large dictates the communities interests. If there are more local teams that can compete in a proper standard Div 1 competition (whatever that may be) then by all means that the best result at that time.
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Post by blahblah on Mar 28, 2022 10:44:35 GMT 10
Just playing Devil's Advocate here. Does this now mean that any other Division 1 competition in the Hills which are being dominated by a few outstanding teams has the right to request the formation of a blended competition with another association to give the other lesser teams a more enjoyable season & provide stiffer competition for the gun teams ? 🤔 Yes - I absolutely agree with this statement - they should be placed in a more competitive format even if that means across associations - and wouldn't that be better for that team of young guns? Playing teams that they can properly compete against instead of thumping poorer opposition 10 nil every second week? What's the point / skill progression by leaving them in an uneven competition? Maybe the strikers finishing in the good team might be getting better but their defensive attributes certainly wont. Social football is the bottom of the ladder (more so in the older ages) - its not there really for creating superstars (but obviously thats where superstars begin, in the younger ages) - its for fun. I think its more important to make sure there are appropriate avenues for the generation of skilled players coming through to play competitvely and learn as they go up the ladder - not just stay on the bottom rung (which is us - or maybe just friends having a kick on an oval is the bottom rung and association is the second bottom rung).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 20:19:40 GMT 10
Blahblah well done. You have made some very valid points. I think that this is one of the best roles that the Forum can play in getting people to contribute ideas on a variety of issues that pertain to the successful outcomes of the Association. After all the Association is there to produce the best outcomes for it's members. I was not taking sides in this debate just merely trying to garner the Forum members overall position on this topic & if it should be extended to other age groups. The Forum is a very useful tool in disseminating information among Forum members but it has the potential to do so much more. Keep on posting those good ideas.
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Post by hey on Mar 29, 2022 18:12:12 GMT 10
Just playing Devil's Advocate here. Does this now mean that any other Division 1 competition in the Hills which are being dominated by a few outstanding teams has the right to request the formation of a blended competition with another association to give the other lesser teams a more enjoyable season & provide stiffer competition for the gun teams ? 🤔 It is happening in one other age group. Just 1 team but this gives that team more competitive games but just as important stops teams getting beaten by a decent margin (and losing more female footballers from our Assoc).
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Post by oldnwise on Mar 30, 2022 7:15:25 GMT 10
Just playing Devil's Advocate here. Does this now mean that any other Division 1 competition in the Hills which are being dominated by a few outstanding teams has the right to request the formation of a blended competition with another association to give the other lesser teams a more enjoyable season & provide stiffer competition for the gun teams ? 🤔 There are options available to clubs and HFI in Junior age groups. Few years back a 16/1 team was pushed up to 17/1. Made the 17/1 competition stronger and provided respite to teams in 16/1 from being soundly defeated each week. HFI and FNSW allowed the team participate in COC at the end of the season in 16/1.
Almost every age group is going to have gun teams. Has been happening since Adam was a boy. Sometimes you can't do much to address. Credit to HFI for addressing where they can.
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Post by cuptied on Apr 2, 2022 17:03:25 GMT 10
Hunters Hill 3 Epping 1 Kolts 2 Penno 1
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Post by theaxe on Jun 2, 2022 11:00:23 GMT 10
What happened to Kellyville - they were given a 3-0 forfeit loss against Winsto Illegal player perhaps ? Anyone The Axe
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Post by herewego on Jun 2, 2022 14:48:17 GMT 10
According to my sources, it's a NWSF handicap adjustment to even out the competition and favour the local teams.
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Post by sports99 on Jun 2, 2022 15:46:46 GMT 10
What happened to Kellyville - they were given a 3-0 forfeit loss against Winsto Illegal player perhaps ? Anyone The Axe They played illegal players. I heard that they played several players under the age of 45.
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