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Post by Raymond Reddington on Aug 25, 2019 13:55:42 GMT 10
Raymond may be on to something. Having a quick look, the Sydney Hills Football Association (SHFA) is still presently an active organisation. We were all told that it was closed down. If and I highlight the word “if” what Happyfeet says is correct then I believe there are some serious questions that need to be answered by the last Board members of the SHFA. If an incorporated association is still registered as active then AGMs etc need to be called as required under the Act. An incorporated association just can’t sit there active but dormant if one gets my drift. The old association should’ve been wound up as no doubt that was the course of action conveyed to member clubs. I’d go as far as saying if the old association does still exist as active with Fair Trading NSW, then any Board members who sat on it at the end would be ineligible for the new Hills Football Incorporated. As I said, this depends solely on whether SHFA is active or inactive.
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Post by sweeper on Aug 26, 2019 11:32:22 GMT 10
At the Clubs meeting on Monday, this issue was discussed and HFI admitted they have applied for 2020 to run GSAP as well as AYL and boys SAP There are not enough girls in the local competition so this will either decimate the comp even more (if there are 2 GSAP options), or lead to a war with Hills Utd and the other clubs about WHO should run GSAP. Ditto for the boys if HFI are succesful. How the hell can we find ourselves in this mess all over again?
Has any reason been give as to why HFI has decided to apply for SAP, AYL and GSAP ?
Trial season will be interesting as Hills United have already put out a post advising that trials will be in October. Will FNSW make a decision by October ?
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Post by dreamgoal on Aug 26, 2019 11:47:23 GMT 10
At the Clubs meeting on Monday, this issue was discussed and HFI admitted they have applied for 2020 to run GSAP as well as AYL and boys SAP There are not enough girls in the local competition so this will either decimate the comp even more (if there are 2 GSAP options), or lead to a war with Hills Utd and the other clubs about WHO should run GSAP. Ditto for the boys if HFI are succesful. How the hell can we find ourselves in this mess all over again?
Has any reason been give as to why HFI has decided to apply for SAP, AYL and GSAP ?
Trial season will be interesting as Hills United have already put out a post advising that trials will be in October. Will FNSW make a decision by October ?
The leagues and licences are announced in mid September!! Hopefully commonsense will prevail and HFI will focus on doing what they do best which is providing local grass roots competitions!!
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Post by ange on Aug 26, 2019 14:25:44 GMT 10
Hopefully people remember the lessons of Granville Association and Parramatta FC. Money was harvested from the Association to buy players and coaches for Parra FC. Similarly, the directors were much more interested in their rep team and the glory that comes with that rather that paying attention to the local comp. I hope the clubs rise up and say we want to focus on grass roots and let the rep clubs look after rep football.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 26, 2019 16:51:57 GMT 10
currently I know of Hills girls we have at Nepean, Marconi, Koalas, Spartans, Ravens, Blacktown City, Mt Druitt Rangers and Hills Utd and there are probably others and we wonder why there are girls numbers problems within the Association. I could also add that three of those Clubs are in the Conference League which imo is below the Association Div 1 standard of most if not all other Associations, add to that the three I am talking about finished in the bottom half of the the Conference League in just about every age group. Last years trials were pretty much turn up and you make it, there are Club teams in other Associations who get more turning up to trial for their Div 1 teams. So why do we want to add more 'development options'?
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Post by ange on Aug 26, 2019 18:49:48 GMT 10
currently I know of Hills girls we have at Nepean, Marconi, Koalas, Spartans, Ravens, Blacktown City, Mt Druitt Rangers and Hills Utd and there are probably others and we wonder why there are girls numbers problems within the Association. I could also add that three of those Clubs are in the Conference League which imo is below the Association Div 1 standard of most if not all other Associations, add to that the three I am talking about finished in the bottom half of the the Conference League in just about every age group. Last years trials were pretty much turn up and you make it, there are Club teams in other Associations who get more turning up to trial for their Div 1 teams. So why do we want to add more 'development options'? I agree with you that it is ridiculous to add more development options (i.e. HFI having GSAP). But, there is the prospect for Hills United to get into WNPL2... this would give a home to those Hills girls who currently have to travel to Nepean, Marconi, Koalas, Spartans and Ravens. HFI are currently screwing up that opportunity by trying to muscle in on the rep scene. Please leave it to Hills United.
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Post by HappyFeet on Aug 26, 2019 19:04:08 GMT 10
Agree ange, leave reps to Hills United.
I am also of the view and Raymond may know for sure being very wise but I don't reckon the association has the authority to move into a rep space unless the member clubs provide their full endorsement. After all, the member clubs do not gain anything.
One of the objects of the association is to act on behalf of the members interests at all times, i am not sure how moving the association's interests into rep football without the member clubs approval is in the members interests, unless i am missing something.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 26, 2019 19:59:59 GMT 10
currently I know of Hills girls we have at Nepean, Marconi, Koalas, Spartans, Ravens, Blacktown City, Mt Druitt Rangers and Hills Utd and there are probably others and we wonder why there are girls numbers problems within the Association. I could also add that three of those Clubs are in the Conference League which imo is below the Association Div 1 standard of most if not all other Associations, add to that the three I am talking about finished in the bottom half of the the Conference League in just about every age group. Last years trials were pretty much turn up and you make it, there are Club teams in other Associations who get more turning up to trial for their Div 1 teams. So why do we want to add more 'development options'? I agree with you that it is ridiculous to add more development options (i.e. HFI having GSAP). But, there is the prospect for Hills United to get into WNPL2... this would give a home to those Hills girls who currently have to travel to Nepean, Marconi, Koalas, Spartans and Ravens. HFI are currently screwing up that opportunity by trying to muscle in on the rep scene. Please leave it to Hills United. Totally agree but what is also left untouched here is the role of FNSW. How many teams do we need to have before it is not 'elite' anymore? They have to do a cull. I went to a few of the Conference League games due to having friends children playing there and wow really, our girls were in much stronger comp in Div 1 when we were with GDSFA.
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Post by ange on Sept 5, 2019 16:09:13 GMT 10
Just ran into our club secretary up the shops. He said that the clubs had been by-passed in all of this (HFI running rep squads) and that it was certain members of the executive pushing for it. He was certainly against the idea. His thoughts were that very few clubs want it, but they also don't care that much to fight against it.
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Post by HappyFeet on Sept 5, 2019 20:36:31 GMT 10
Oh dear, from what i am hearing it has the smell of another association some years back who did not follow their members instructions and moved forward with reps despite the members being against it.
As I have mentioned in my last post, I do not believe they have the authority under the constitution to make such a decision, if that is what has happened, without the member clubs consent. It is also highly frowned upon and has always been a financial burden on grass roots football having funds from grass roots and rep football under the one organisation.
Would be interested to hear the wisdom from Raymond.
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Post by sweeper on Sept 6, 2019 9:27:48 GMT 10
<snip> has always been a financial burden on grass roots football having funds from grass roots and rep football under the one organisation. <snip>
Might be time to start a separate rego fees thread as the rego cost will go up if FNSW approves this
One of the consequences of this will be that the smaller clubs with girls teams will feel the impact the most. All it takes is for 2-3 players to leave (for reps or stop playing) and then they cannot field a team as the team does not want to play with no subs or short for the whole season. Maybe we need a loan style system for the girls comp where clubs can loan players for the season from other clubs but the player still belongs to their original club.
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