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Post by HappyFeet on Oct 31, 2019 21:38:04 GMT 10
Some of the previous posts on here indicating an academy being involved in the rep program may well appear to be on the money.
A recent Hills Football facebook post shows what appears to be some people wearing jerseys with S6 displayed in the mix with the Hills rep trials.
Previous posts on here have also mentioned a mob called super 6 being involved.
Does that mean the association has outsourced their rep trials to another organisation instead of using their member NPL club Hills United??
And according to this forum the use of unsanctioned academies caused a huge conflict some time ago.
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Post by sweeper on Nov 1, 2019 9:05:24 GMT 10
Despite five pages of forum replies and the info from Hills, I am still trying to work out the purpose of AYL. Is it to try and reduce the quality of the Hills association Div 1 comp? If local grassroots clubs are now going to be losing their best players to another layer of an already cluttered youth rep football landscape, what incentive is there for grassroots clubs to invest in coach education and player development. Surely investment into local community clubs by the association would be more beneficial than another layer of rep football.
AYL is meant to be a bridge between Div1 and NPL Youth League. To me it just means that the NPL clubs have ready made replacements should a player drop out of youth league and saves the TD/coaches from going around the grounds to watch the Div 1 teams play to find a replacement.
For clubs, the very best players are likely to leave anyway if the player wants to play NPL. For players who want to play NPL Youth League but are not selected then AYL appears to offer more of a chance to be selected rather than attending trials.
GHFA's and Manly's take on AYL is similar -
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Post by dreamgoal on Nov 1, 2019 10:19:32 GMT 10
Despite five pages of forum replies and the info from Hills, I am still trying to work out the purpose of AYL. Is it to try and reduce the quality of the Hills association Div 1 comp? If local grassroots clubs are now going to be losing their best players to another layer of an already cluttered youth rep football landscape, what incentive is there for grassroots clubs to invest in coach education and player development. Surely investment into local community clubs by the association would be more beneficial than another layer of rep football.
AYL is meant to be a bridge between Div1 and NPL Youth League. To me it just means that the NPL clubs have ready made replacements should a player drop out of youth league and saves the TD/coaches from going around the grounds to watch the Div 1 teams play to find a replacement.
For clubs, the very best players are likely to leave anyway if the player wants to play NPL. For players who want to play NPL Youth League but are not selected then AYL appears to offer more of a chance to be selected rather than attending trials.
GHFA's and Manly's take on AYL is similar -
[ It has its place in developed and mature associations where there is depth of talent, not in an association that is three years old and where it will likely decimate the local competition. That being said, if the decision is to run it next season, leave it with the people that know how to run “representative” football and get Dan and the association focussed on grass roots where the participant numbers are and the current source of the issues!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 11:56:11 GMT 10
HappyFeet....I think you will find that Super 6 refers to a Summer Soccer Competition.....and not to any academy.
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Post by HappyFeet on Nov 1, 2019 11:59:18 GMT 10
And the problem is further exacerbated as dream suggests when you consider the current amount of division 1 teams in the age groups effected.
2019 div 1 teams
U13 div 1 - only 7 teams U14 div 1 - only 6 teams U15 div 1 - only 8 teams U16 div 1 - only 7 teams
With AYL coming in next season, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that the div 1 comp will be substantially impacted and this will flow down to other divisions making for a far weaker comp.
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Post by HappyFeet on Nov 1, 2019 12:56:27 GMT 10
Oracle - the name super 6 was mentioned on here by others but i reckon they could have meant Super 6 High Performance which appears to be a strength and conditioning company who sell fitness programs to individuals and organisations according to their website. So looking at social media, it would seem this organisation has been engaged by the association to be involved with the GSAP.
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Post by sweeper on Nov 1, 2019 13:26:57 GMT 10
AYL is meant to be a bridge between Div1 and NPL Youth League. To me it just means that the NPL clubs have ready made replacements should a player drop out of youth league and saves the TD/coaches from going around the grounds to watch the Div 1 teams play to find a replacement.
For clubs, the very best players are likely to leave anyway if the player wants to play NPL. For players who want to play NPL Youth League but are not selected then AYL appears to offer more of a chance to be selected rather than attending trials.
GHFA's and Manly's take on AYL is similar -
[ It has its place in developed and mature associations where there is depth of talent, not in an association that is three years old and where it will likely decimate the local competition. That being said, if the decision is to run it next season, leave it with the people that know how to run “representative” football and get Dan and the association focussed on grass roots where the participant numbers are and the current source of the issues!!
The squad size for AYL is 16 players which means that there will be 1 team/squad less per age group. Yes, it will reduce numbers but I am not sure about decimation as players outside the Hills but in Met West can also apply.
I believe that you will find that most of the players that will apply for AYL will be current Division 2 players. You may get the a handful of players trialling for AYL from Div 1 but by the age of 13 most Div 1 squads are fairly settled. So those that cannot break into the Div 1 squad but want to play rep football are most likely to try out or those players who are unsettled in their current team. Most Div 1 players would likely have already trialled for a NPL team so either they didn't make the team or they are in the team. Those that have tried SAP/Youth League and for whatever reason, did not stay, are not likely to try out for AYL.
In this age of entitlement, it is likely that the feedback that Hills Association has received is that little Johnny needs to be given an opportunity to play rep football and AYL meets that feedback.
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Post by macduff on Nov 1, 2019 14:58:38 GMT 10
[ It has its place in developed and mature associations where there is depth of talent, not in an association that is three years old and where it will likely decimate the local competition. That being said, if the decision is to run it next season, leave it with the people that know how to run “representative” football and get Dan and the association focussed on grass roots where the participant numbers are and the current source of the issues!!
The squad size for AYL is 16 players which means that there will be 1 team/squad less per age group. Yes, it will reduce numbers but I am not sure about decimation as players outside the Hills but in Met West can also apply.
I believe that you will find that most of the players that will apply for AYL will be current Division 2 players. You may get the a handful of players trialling for AYL from Div 1 but by the age of 13 most Div 1 squads are fairly settled. So those that cannot break into the Div 1 squad but want to play rep football are most likely to try out or those players who are unsettled in their current team. Most Div 1 players would likely have already trialled for a NPL team so either they didn't make the team or they are in the team. Those that have tried SAP/Youth League and for whatever reason, did not stay, are not likely to try out for AYL.
In this age of entitlement, it is likely that the feedback that Hills Association has received is that little Johnny needs to be given an opportunity to play rep football and AYL meets that feedback.
So far we have lost 3 Div 1 players and the age group above us 4. On a positive, we know we are doing things right in terms of player development. I know of another few div 1 players who have made it was well from other clubs. Its not just about the Div 1 teams too. We lose three and then have to replace them. Last season our club had 4 teams in the age group (56 players). Lose three players and all of a sudden we haven't got enough for 4 teams, meaning we go with three really big squads or have to say no to some players. NPL clubs don't really get ready made replacements from AYL.
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Post by sweeper on Nov 2, 2019 6:28:14 GMT 10
The squad size for AYL is 16 players which means that there will be 1 team/squad less per age group. Yes, it will reduce numbers but I am not sure about decimation as players outside the Hills but in Met West can also apply.
I believe that you will find that most of the players that will apply for AYL will be current Division 2 players. You may get the a handful of players trialling for AYL from Div 1 but by the age of 13 most Div 1 squads are fairly settled. So those that cannot break into the Div 1 squad but want to play rep football are most likely to try out or those players who are unsettled in their current team. Most Div 1 players would likely have already trialled for a NPL team so either they didn't make the team or they are in the team. Those that have tried SAP/Youth League and for whatever reason, did not stay, are not likely to try out for AYL.
In this age of entitlement, it is likely that the feedback that Hills Association has received is that little Johnny needs to be given an opportunity to play rep football and AYL meets that feedback.
So far we have lost 3 Div 1 players and the age group above us 4. On a positive, we know we are doing things right in terms of player development. I know of another few div 1 players who have made it was well from other clubs. Its not just about the Div 1 teams too. We lose three and then have to replace them. Last season our club had 4 teams in the age group (56 players). Lose three players and all of a sudden we haven't got enough for 4 teams, meaning we go with three really big squads or have to say no to some players. NPL clubs don't really get ready made replacements from AYL.
Sorry to hear that macduff, sounds like you have lost more than the average. Hopefully you can recruit 3/4 extra players and keep the 4 squads.
Why would those players leave unless they or their parents believe that it is a pathway to NPL ?
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Post by lovefootball on Nov 2, 2019 13:19:15 GMT 10
The clubs would know the reason the association ran the GSAP program in it's first year was because HFI was not sanctioned until very late in 2016, well after the application and declaration of leagues were made for 2017, the inaugural board was not elected until December 2016, the Hills did not have any female GSAP programs and a request was made to have a GSAP program for 2017. It was a purposeful decision to have a part time program providing the benefit for girls to be given high level coaching, play at a higher level whilst allowing them to still remain with their local community club so it would not affect player numbers in the local competition. The same applied for 2018 being a part time program so player numbers in the local comp were not affected. It is because of the part time program in the first two seasons was the reason the association ran the program.
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Post by sweetleftfoot on Nov 3, 2019 19:35:31 GMT 10
[ It has its place in developed and mature associations where there is depth of talent, not in an association that is three years old and where it will likely decimate the local competition. That being said, if the decision is to run it next season, leave it with the people that know how to run “representative” football and get Dan and the association focussed on grass roots where the participant numbers are and the current source of the issues!!
The squad size for AYL is 16 players which means that there will be 1 team/squad less per age group. Yes, it will reduce numbers but I am not sure about decimation as players outside the Hills but in Met West can also apply.
I believe that you will find that most of the players that will apply for AYL will be current Division 2 players. You may get the a handful of players trialling for AYL from Div 1 but by the age of 13 most Div 1 squads are fairly settled. So those that cannot break into the Div 1 squad but want to play rep football are most likely to try out or those players who are unsettled in their current team. Most Div 1 players would likely have already trialled for a NPL team so either they didn't make the team or they are in the team. Those that have tried SAP/Youth League and for whatever reason, did not stay, are not likely to try out for AYL.
In this age of entitlement, it is likely that the feedback that Hills Association has received is that little Johnny needs to be given an opportunity to play rep football and AYL meets that feedback.
This. 100%. Some kids need to be able to boast to their mates that they play rep and AYL is another option to be able to say that. Pay higher to say you play higher - the new football in Sydney, and especially in the Hills. & to think some people wondered why many people don't like academies... Get yourself down to macq uni on a weekend to watch the PAL (Premier Academy League for the uninitiated), check out the quality, then decide if you think these kids paying 6 to 7 times what regular park association kids pay is "worth it" Pay to play is gonna kill football in Sydney over time
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Post by HappyFeet on Nov 4, 2019 10:10:07 GMT 10
I wonder why it is that some are against NPL / rep fees being charged but are completely silent around academies that charge similar or higher fees.
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Post by Raymond Reddington on Nov 8, 2019 8:08:10 GMT 10
All SAP has created is a market for parents to be charged with much much higher participation fees.
Next players in their mother’s womb will be offered the sound of EPL football commentary to ensure football is well and truly etched in their minds at birth.
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Post by sweeper on Nov 8, 2019 8:38:56 GMT 10
All SAP has created is a market for parents to be charged with much much higher participation fees. Next players in their mother’s womb will be offered the sound of EPL football commentary to ensure football is well and truly etched in their minds at birth. World in Motion with the John Barnes rap should be on the playlist
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Post by gegenpress on Nov 14, 2019 12:15:01 GMT 10
I think if you averaged out 40 weeks of training for 3 nights a week, it works out a bit more than $5 an hour from a coach that has spend a couple grand on his license and continues to pay FNSW to keep it updated. FNSW are requiring coaches to be more qualified in years to come.
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