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Post by nolongerakeeper on Jul 17, 2017 15:20:13 GMT 10
Reading the by-laws I assume we are back to a traditional finals series this year of 1 v 2, 3 v 4 etc.
I have been told though this may not be the case and there is talk of a round robin series,
Anyone know which one is in place this year?
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Post by fisho1984 on Jul 17, 2017 15:23:40 GMT 10
I bloody hope not to have a stupid round robin series
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Post by nolongerakeeper on Jul 17, 2017 15:27:14 GMT 10
Just wanting clarification as looking at Icompman under competitions it does show Round Robin 2017 and Round Robin Pennant 2017, although by-laws are pretty clear
Championship Competition (for 18 Round Competitions) 8.2.8.1. The Championship competition shall be a finals series competition structured as follows (for both First Grade and Reserve Grade): Semi-Final 1: 1 v 2 Semi-Final 2: 3 v 4 Final: Loser Semi-Final 1 v Winner Semi-Final 2 Championship Final: Winner Semi-Final 1 v Winner Final 8.2.8.2. If rain causes the Championship Competition to be reduced the Competitions Manager will decide how this series will proceed depending on time available. 8.2.8.3. If in any game of the Championship Competition the score at the end of full time is drawn then ten (10) minutes each way will be played. If at the end of extra time the score is still drawn then a penalty shoot-out will occur. 8.2.8.4. A player is only eligible to play for a team in the Championship Competition if he/she has played three (3) or more games for that team in the Premiership Competition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 15:51:47 GMT 10
The finals are played just the same as was the case under GDSFA rules. There are no round robins or pennants. This allows for 18 competition rounds followed by three weeks of finals ie, semi finals, final & championship final (weather permitting).
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Post by nolongerakeeper on Jul 17, 2017 15:54:40 GMT 10
thanks for the clarification
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Post by Clarity on Jul 17, 2017 17:49:44 GMT 10
I think you'll find Round Robin is Bylaw before the one referred to...it is Round Robin and Premier League will play Championship finals. But best to seek clarity through your Club
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Post by nolongerakeeper on Jul 17, 2017 18:06:06 GMT 10
The Bylaw before refers to a 14 round competition and the bylaw I copied above is for an 18 round competition which is what we have played this year. There is a separate By law for the Premier League Championship finals.
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Post by nolongerakeeper on Jul 24, 2017 11:17:52 GMT 10
Just reading the bylaws to determine how final four will be determined and saw that the first criteria if on same points is number of wins, before then looking at Goal Difference.
hope all those fighting for a spot are aware of this, not sure I have seen this before.
With regrades in particular and adjustments made to tables this could be very controversial in some age groups.
Also tables at this stage don't reflect this so I can see it becoming a problem.
Eg. Mixed 14/2's, 2nd and 3rd as it stands both teams on same points Kenthurst 2nd on goal difference but, Kellyville Utd have more wins so if stay the same my reading of the bylaws is Kellyville finish 2nd.
Does everyone see this the same way?
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Post by Clarification on Jul 24, 2017 13:02:56 GMT 10
I thought wins was in head to head not overall?
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Post by nolongerakeeper on Jul 24, 2017 14:37:14 GMT 10
This is the by-law so to me it reads overall, I could be wrong so hoping for some clarification so teams know where they stand.
8.1.7. At the completion of the Premiership, Championship or Pennant competitions, should there be two or more teams equal on points their competition table position shall be decided by 8.1.7.1. Greater number of wins. 8.1.7.2. If is the number of wins same, then the greater goal difference (i.e. goals against subtracted from goals for). 8.1.7.3. If the number of wins and goal difference is the same, the team with the greatest number of goals scored for.
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Post by crazycow on Jul 24, 2017 15:16:01 GMT 10
I read the bylaws yesterday and came to the same conclusion as you nolongerakeeper. No. of wins appears to trump Goal Difference. This is not reflected on current iCompman tables and probably isn't peoples general understanding. HFI need to clarify please
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 14:50:29 GMT 10
Hopefully the following information from the Hills Association will clarify all questions regarding the finals format:
To All Clubs
Please see below from the by-laws FYI. I am currently completing the schedule for the Semis, Finals and Grand Finals as soon as I have this completed I will forward out to all clubs.
8.1.7. At the completion of the Premiership, Championship or Pennant competitions, should there
be two or more teams equal on points their competition table position shall be decided by
8.1.7.1. Greater number of wins.
8.1.7.2. If is the number of wins same, then the greater goal difference (i.e. goals against
subtracted from goals for).
8.1.7.3. If the number of wins and goal difference is the same, the team with the greatest
number of goals scored for.
8.2.8. Championship Competition (for 18 Round Competitions)
8.2.8.1. The Championship competition shall be a finals series competition structured as
follows (for both First Grade and Reserve Grade):
Semi-Final 1: 1 v 2
Semi-Final 2: 3 v 4
Final: Loser Semi-Final 1 v Winner Semi-Final 2
Championship Final: Winner Semi-Final 1 v Winner Final
8.2.8.2. If rain causes the Championship Competition to be reduced the Competitions
Manager will decide how this series will proceed depending on time available.
8.2.8.3. If in any game of the Championship Competition the score at the end of full time is
drawn then ten (10) minutes each way will be played. If at the end of extra time the
score is still drawn then a penalty shoot-out will occur.
8.2.8.4. A player is only eligible to play for a team in the Championship Competition if
he/she has played three (3) or more games for that team in the Premiership
Competition
Hills Football Inc
Nicole Tindale
Competitions Manager
M: 0411 583 566
E: office@hillsfootball.com.au
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Post by please clarify on Jul 26, 2017 15:26:02 GMT 10
Do Byes count as wins? If so it is a double whammy, I don't mind change or thinking outside the square but there is a reason why F&A is the preferred model.
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Post by Guest on Jul 26, 2017 15:40:46 GMT 10
All for and against and wins etc. should be converted to a percentage of what was possible for a given team or a per game basis if the tables are so close, so teams that have had 2 byes aren't disadvantaged over team that only had one bye etc.
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Post by What the? on Jul 27, 2017 5:02:12 GMT 10
By law 8.1.7.1 What's greater a team that wins more game or a team that loses less games. Neither in my eyes, never heard of this system. Can understand greater wins head to head between 2 teams but this bylaw is weird.
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