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Post by sweetleftfoot on Jun 24, 2021 9:53:24 GMT 10
Do parents and players realise that we pay for four employees at Hills Football? If yes, is everyone ok with it. If not, why not?
Football is 99% a volunteer endeavour with no-one on clubs committees being paid or reimbursed, that's people giving up their free time. & its the clubs who provide the service on weekends using councils fields
So what exactly is it about football in the hills that requires full time administrative offices and people down on Lexington; is football more complicated than other sports like Netball & Basketball & Cricket. Do the other associations in Sydney have this?
I've not seen other sports need such an overhead for a small area like the hills. Parents with children in other sports are baffled when we talk about how high our football fees are.
Referees need to be paid, apart from that I don't understand what we are all paying $80 per player a year to HFI for, why does HFI need $800k a year in fees?
as I look forward to my big $12 refund from last year's short season I'd love to know if people think we're getting value for money for 2-3 hours a week of playing rec football (on council fields which we all pay for through council fees anyway)
Isn't organising football matches for 10,000 ish players for 18 rounds something that Football NSW could do cheaper
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 11:45:52 GMT 10
Do parents and players realise that we pay for four employees at Hills Football? If yes, is everyone ok with it. If not, why not? It should be common knowledge that Associations have full time staff. Well before the Hills broke away from Granville several years ago GDSFA had full time staff. This is now the norm in all Associations to provide high quality services in numerous areas.
Football is 99% a volunteer endeavour with no-one on clubs committees being paid or reimbursed, that's people giving up their free time. & its the clubs who provide the service on weekends using councils fields Some positions on Club Committees attract a honorarium as a payment to compensate them for their costs & expenses incurred in performing their role. Council fields also attract a hiring or usage fee borne by the clubs.So what exactly is it about football in the hills that requires full time administrative offices and people down on Lexington; is football more complicated than other sports like Netball & Basketball & Cricket. Do the other associations in Sydney have this? This is the norm for soccer which has the highest number of players of any sport in Australia. Therefore the greatest need for full time employees. I cannot comment on other sports as I don't know their numbers but it could be easily found. I've not seen other sports need such an overhead for a small area like the hills. Parents with children in other sports are baffled when we talk about how high our football fees are. The Hills is not a small area geographically nor in terms of number of players. Referees need to be paid, apart from that I don't understand what we are all paying $80 per player a year to HFI for, why does HFI need $800k a year in fees? Their are far more costs to running both a Club & an Association other than just referee fees. Just check the financial reports for both.as I look forward to my big $12 refund from last year's short season I'd love to know if people think we're getting value for money for 2-3 hours a week of playing rec football (on council fields which we all pay for through council fees anyway) Council grounds do not come for free & now attract much larger fees today thsn they did years ago.Isn't organising football matches for 10,000 ish players for 18 rounds something that Football NSW could do cheaper You obviously haven't had any dealings with Football NSW. My answer would be NO.
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Post by morinyo on Jun 24, 2021 12:17:18 GMT 10
I’m half laughing, half worried this was even raised?
With absolute respect to all volunteers, running a volunteer club is very different to running a 15,000 player association.
Don’t compare to other sports. They get $millions/billions in TV rights. ALL Major sports have paid employees running their junior competitions. AFL alone gave over 30 full time game development officers in the greater western sydney area.
If anything, we need MORE staff to run MORE programs to help grow our game.
Removing staff puts us back in the stoneages.
And Is football really that expensive at the club level? Take out the active kids voucher and you’re under $20 a game for most kids age groups. I can’t take my kids to the movies without having to re mortgage the house.
I whole heartedly disagree with your view however you’re entitled to your opinion.
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Post by whenwillwec on Jun 24, 2021 19:11:14 GMT 10
Only 4 full time employees? I'm pretty happy at that and worth every cent in my opinion. To have people dedicated to (and responsible for) organising the whole thing rather than relying on the nuances and inconsistent application of volunteers is far more desireable. It's a well run organisation with football every week for 20 odd weeks. Happy to pay.
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Post by mj on Jun 24, 2021 22:03:48 GMT 10
I don’t have a problem with four full time people if they are suitably qualified and deliver value for money for the association members. I have a huge objection to the recent secret agreement (that I don’t believe any club has seen) that provides resources to Hills United (Brumbies) at no cost. Why the fire truck should any grass roots players fee go towards the operating of a rep club that provides no value whatsoever to the Association apart from taking every opportunity to overcharge for coaching, clinics, and the operation of licences issued to Hills Football by FNSW.
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Post by interested on Jun 25, 2021 8:13:02 GMT 10
When Hills decided to make the great breakaway from Granville a few years ago they had No Staff and only a handful of eager volunteers who had a Dream! One year on and FNSW realized they were missing out and need Hills back so reneged on all the promises they had made (we have moved on from that thank God). But in order to get Hills up to speed it needed some help and FNSW offered this at a minimal cost initially. This enabled Hills Board to focus on building the comp and left the running of it with FNSW.
Because it is such a large job to get 15,000 odd players sorted each year Hills have kept paying Staff rather than looking at volunteers to do the heavy lifting. Is it a good long term plan ? Maybe but I think most people are happy to pay for it if they can just come along and enjoy watching their kids/partners play
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 11:41:17 GMT 10
It is hard enough today to get volunteers at Club level to do any lifting whatsoever whether it is hard or otherwise let alone at the Association level where even more lifting is required. The majority of parents today just want to turn up & watch their child's game without any further involvement or commitment of their precious time. So the majority of people are more than happy to pay fees & leave the hard yards to others so they have as little to do as possible. Unfortunately this is a sign of the times. Therefore this means that others need to be paid to do jobs that were once done by volunteers & this occurs even at Club level these days.
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Post by shadow on Jun 26, 2021 10:11:21 GMT 10
My issue is more towards the fees we pay and then four weeks in a row without a referee
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Post by baulkokid on Jun 26, 2021 14:26:36 GMT 10
Every Association has full time paid staff & some clubs as well. If you don't get a ref your club dose not pay, have you done the refs course? How many in your team have done it? How many from your club have done it? Baulkham Hills FC has the biggest number of refs in the Hills, if every club had the number of refs we have we would have to many. It should be made mandatory that every club has a minimum of 2 official refs per team they have registered & a minimum 1 per team available per week to ref. I play, manage, help at our club & ref 2 to 3 games per week, so whinging dose not cut it with me!!! I also run & organise the Hillsbillies Over 60 team for Masters comps & trying to get an Over 60 comp going as well.
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Post by dog657 on Jun 26, 2021 15:13:26 GMT 10
Every Association has full time paid staff & some clubs as well. If you don't get a ref your club dose not pay, have you done the refs course? How many in your team have done it? How many from your club have done it? Baulkham Hills FC has the biggest number of refs in the Hills, if every club had the number of refs we have we would have to many. It should be made mandatory that every club has a minimum of 2 official refs per team they have registered & a minimum 1 per team available per week to ref. I play, manage, help at our club & ref 2 to 3 games per week, so whinging dose not cut it with me!!! I also run & organise the Hillsbillies Over 60 team for Masters comps & trying to get an Over 60 comp going as well. 🥇👏🏻
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Post by krusty on Jun 26, 2021 19:35:23 GMT 10
Baulkokid. We pay to play not ref.
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Post by macduff on Jun 26, 2021 19:41:35 GMT 10
Every Association has full time paid staff & some clubs as well. If you don't get a ref your club dose not pay, have you done the refs course? How many in your team have done it? How many from your club have done it? Baulkham Hills FC has the biggest number of refs in the Hills, if every club had the number of refs we have we would have to many. It should be made mandatory that every club has a minimum of 2 official refs per team they have registered & a minimum 1 per team available per week to ref. I play, manage, help at our club & ref 2 to 3 games per week, so whinging dose not cut it with me!!! I also run & organise the Hillsbillies Over 60 team for Masters comps & trying to get an Over 60 comp going as well. Didn’t realise that refs were aligned to a particular club, or the club ran the ref training for its refs. Though it does explain why it’s so hard to get a decision for an opposition team at Ted.😜😜😜😜
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Post by sweetleftfoot on Jun 29, 2021 19:33:12 GMT 10
I’m half laughing, half worried this was even raised? With absolute respect to all volunteers, running a volunteer club is very different to running a 15,000 player association. Don’t compare to other sports. They get $millions/billions in TV rights. ALL Major sports have paid employees running their junior competitions. AFL alone gave over 30 full time game development officers in the greater western sydney area. If anything, we need MORE staff to run MORE programs to help grow our game. Removing staff puts us back in the stoneages. And Is football really that expensive at the club level? Take out the active kids voucher and you’re under $20 a game for most kids age groups. I can’t take my kids to the movies without having to re mortgage the house. I whole heartedly disagree with your view however you’re entitled to your opinion. I'm amazed you think clubs' committees do so little compared to the association. Clubs (a) hire the fields from council (b) buy/arrange the kits, footballs, training gear, line-marking of fields, goalposts etc (c) manage the player registrations (d) arrange/pay all referees for u6s, u7s, u8s, u9s, u10s and u11s... which is where a large % of the players are. What does an association do that outweighs this so much?
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Post by sweetleftfoot on Jun 29, 2021 19:34:32 GMT 10
It is hard enough today to get volunteers at Club level to do any lifting whatsoever whether it is hard or otherwise let alone at the Association level where even more lifting is required. The majority of parents today just want to turn up & watch their child's game without any further involvement or commitment of their precious time. So the majority of people are more than happy to pay fees & leave the hard yards to others so they have as little to do as possible. Unfortunately this is a sign of the times. Therefore this means that others need to be paid to do jobs that were once done by volunteers & this occurs even at Club level these days. What jobs/tasks/roles/leadership has HFI had to take on in recent years that clubs are now failing or refusing to do?
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Post by sweetleftfoot on Jun 29, 2021 19:36:53 GMT 10
Only 4 full time employees? I'm pretty happy at that and worth every cent in my opinion. To have people dedicated to (and responsible for) organising the whole thing rather than relying on the nuances and inconsistent application of volunteers is far more desireable. It's a well run organisation with football every week for 20 odd weeks. Happy to pay. Except they don't organise "the whole thing" That's my point. Most of the member "experience" on weekends is from Clubs volunteers, not association staff.
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