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Post by sweeper on Sept 4, 2018 10:12:10 GMT 10
Big changes coming for the girls in the Hills.
Still a lot of questions to be answered but hopefully this is a step in the right direction and lessons have been learnt from past attempts.
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Post by guest2 on Sept 5, 2018 11:41:05 GMT 10
Big changes coming for the girls in the Hills.
Still a lot of questions to be answered but hopefully this is a step in the right direction and lessons have been learnt from past attempts.
I would love to be more positive but this is not a step in the right direction. Hills do not need another level of rep football they need to fix up the girls grassroots competition. Blacktown City Conference League teams are full of Hills girls and coaches and at the start of the season instead of selection trials, were begging for girls to complete their teams, this is not rep football, the Conference League is not Rep football. Anyone who has seen this competition will tell you that they are mid to low Div 1 level of most other Association competition. All the Conference League does is take girls out of Association based football, Rep competition should be reserved for just that, representative or elite players, the inclusion of Hills (if granted) will mean we have more rep players/teams/options in our Association than we will have domestic association players/teams/options. We are trying to build the top end and ignoring the base, no secret what happens when you do that. Not meant to offend just my opinion. On the positive i applaud the appointment and wish they would be concentrating on the bottom end and not the top end, fix the base up and the elite will find the way themselves.
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Post by hey on Sept 5, 2018 11:54:26 GMT 10
I think you are wrong, there is evidence that part time GSAP was stronger that local div 1 teams in 2018.
Good step in the right direction. I think going full-time will help attract stronger coaches than last year and help the selected players improve even further.
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Post by guest2 on Sept 5, 2018 12:06:42 GMT 10
I think you are wrong, there is evidence that part time GSAP was stronger that local div 1 teams in 2018. Good step in the right direction. I think going full-time will help attract stronger coaches than last year and help the selected players improve even further. Sorry if I wan't clear I was talking about the quality of Girls Conference League (14 and up) not the GSAP component. I agree that going full time for GSAP is a better option.
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Post by crazycow on Sept 5, 2018 19:00:42 GMT 10
Big changes coming for the girls in the Hills.
Still a lot of questions to be answered but hopefully this is a step in the right direction and lessons have been learnt from past attempts.
I would love to be more positive but this is not a step in the right direction. Hills do not need another level of rep football they need to fix up the girls grassroots competition. Blacktown City Conference League teams are full of Hills girls and coaches and at the start of the season instead of selection trials, were begging for girls to complete their teams, this is not rep football, the Conference League is not Rep football. Anyone who has seen this competition will tell you that they are mid to low Div 1 level of most other Association competition. All the Conference League does is take girls out of Association based football, Rep competition should be reserved for just that, representative or elite players, the inclusion of Hills (if granted) will mean we have more rep players/teams/options in our Association than we will have domestic association players/teams/options. We are trying to build the top end and ignoring the base, no secret what happens when you do that. Not meant to offend just my opinion. On the positive i applaud the appointment and wish they would be concentrating on the bottom end and not the top end, fix the base up and the elite will find the way themselves. This is definitely true of last year and probably next year too. However, eventually the quality will improve. If the GSAP girls graduate to Conference league when they turn u14 (and Hills Utd manage to get promotion to NPL) then Hills will have a very competitive group and the competition will be strong in 3-4 years. Add to that the growth in u8-u12 seen over the last 2 years. These girls will have a full time GSAP pathway and eventually NPL. there is a real effort from some clubs to improve the base, but there is little to no point in trying to improve grass roots TODAY for the u15-u17 girls. I agree, the standard isnt great, but its a bit late. Build from u14 down by growing the number of females participating and the future will be strong. Female numbers in those age groups grew by over 35% in the last 2 years and next season looks even better.
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Post by HappyFeet on Sept 6, 2018 7:43:10 GMT 10
I reckon after two good seasons of female participation and growth in the Hills that 2019 would have been the ideal season for Hills United to commence NPL Youth and Women football providing both males and females with an elite program.
There is no progression pathway from Girls Conference League to NPL therefore talented girls in the Hills district will continue to seek the highest level of football and go to close by NPL clubs like Blacktown Spartans, North West Women's Koalas etc to play at the highest level.
Hopefully our region's NPL club will be supported by the association and provide NPL football for our youth and women's footballers so they do not have to leave our district.
Football NSW offer Association Youth League reps which is specifically designed to provide a stepping stone between association football and NPL. There has been no talk at all about the association rep program and assume if the association wants to dabble in Girls rep football then they will offer an equivalent program for our boys in the association youth league competitions.
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Post by sweeper on Sept 6, 2018 9:56:42 GMT 10
The talented player pathways can be found here - footballnsw.com.au/players/player-pathways/As HappyFeet pointed out this announcement covers GSAP but still leaves NPLW U/13 to U/17 as not being offered within the Hills district. One of the challenges will be convincing U/12s to play GSAP with the Hills if the players and parents feel that they will need to find a new club for U/13 assuming that they want to play NPLW and do not want to play conference league. For GSAP, do the boundary/catchment rules apply where your home address determines the club that you can play for ? As an example, boys wishing to play for Gladesville Spirit MUST live in the FNSW Metro North zone (GHFA and MWFA) to be eligible.
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Post by HappyFeet on Sept 6, 2018 17:56:07 GMT 10
After talking to some coaches who are well in the know, boys and girls SAP falls within boundary / catchment areas same as the state title boundaries and Hills Association apparently falls within metwest which Covers the regions of Granville, Blacktown, Hills and Nepean. Have also heard that the boundary restrictions are followed for boys but girls seem to have no restrictions, possibly because the demand is not as strong as for boys.
There are no boundary restrictions for Girls Conference League or NPL which means girls and parents will firstly choose the most attractive option and best offering for them.
Interesting that the Girls Conference League does not show at all on the player pathway program and the pathway starts at SAP then steps up to NPL for boys and Girls SAP then steps up to NPL Women's for girls. On that basis it seems all the more reason for Hills girls and ladies to have an NPL option locally.
It has already been mentioned in this thread that Blacktown City GCL are mostly Hills girls, Spartans GSAP and NPL also have Hills Girls.
From a supply and demand perspective, it would seem logical that Girls will trial firstly for an NPL option, if not successful with numerous NPL clubs they would likely fall back to GCL and choose a club that was in the planning stages for NPL football.
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Post by sweeper on Sept 7, 2018 16:19:55 GMT 10
Thanks HappyFeetThe Hills association is making progress in that it is moving from part-time GSAP to full-time GSAP. I hope that this is just the first step and that offering Womens NPL in the Hills association follows on from this quickly so that there is a full and complete pathway offered within the Hills. Possibly the conference league is seen as an intermediate step so that you have the players already within the association teams when the move to NPLW is made. It is challenging to get girls to join a team especially when the parents find out that the girls competition plays on Sunday morning and not on Saturday. All of a sudden "going to church" becomes a reason why their daughter cannot play
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Post by crazycow on Sept 7, 2018 19:00:30 GMT 10
Just to clarify. Going straight into WNPL was never an option. Clubs / Associations have to prove their worth so to speak and make their way through the ranks starting with Girls Conference league. Step 1 is to perform well in that comp at all grades, but step 2 is to have the facilities (specifically grounds) that meet the standard. Hills football doesnt currently have a stadium / dedicated ground that meets the standard. Hills Utd are having to play out of Lilys coz Russel Res is no good. In a few years we hope to have the Home Of Football and by that time all the planets should align.
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Post by bob on Sept 7, 2018 20:51:57 GMT 10
Just to clarify. Going straight into WNPL was never an option. Clubs / Associations have to prove their worth so to speak and make their way through the ranks starting with Girls Conference league. Step 1 is to perform well in that comp at all grades, but step 2 is to have the facilities (specifically grounds) that meet the standard. Hills football doesnt currently have a stadium / dedicated ground that meets the standard. Hills Utd are having to play out of Lilys coz Russel Res is no good. In a few years we hope to have the Home Of Football and by that time all the planets should align. Correct. Getting a club into NPL2 is VERY difficult and there are clubs who have been playing State League and Conference League for years who are trying as well. I guess all you can do is work very hard and one day it might come through. Stadiums are an official requirement but that rule gets bent regularly (UNSW and previously Ravens when they used PEEL Park).
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Post by lovefootball on Sept 7, 2018 23:07:49 GMT 10
FFA drove a female football rep structure review in 2017 that led to many changes starting in 2018.
Girls Sap was only U10 and U12 in 2017 and prior years. The review determined it should be expanded to include U10 to U13.
It was determined the state League female Comp was not working, hence they scrapped it for season 2018 and implemented the new Girls Conference League. 2018 was its first year and unlike the former state League, it was only for U14, U15 and U17 girls, no adults.
It was also determined that the jump from the previous U13 reps to U15 reps was too big so this is partly why girls SAP was expanded to include U13's and full field reps now starts at U14.
Hills needs NPL football for females and our council should be embarrassed that a rich area like the hills does not have any grounds where NPL football can be played for either males or females. No other association region has this problem.
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Post by sweeper on Sept 27, 2018 10:02:04 GMT 10
Does anybody know if the Hills Association has been accepted or not for GSAP ?
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Post by dreamgoal on Sept 27, 2018 11:56:27 GMT 10
Does anybody know if the Hills Association has been accepted or not for GSAP ? Yes they have.
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Post by HappyFeet on Sept 27, 2018 20:10:13 GMT 10
They were scheduled to make the announcement on Monday 24 September. Things have obviously been delayed and have been told an announcement is imminent.
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